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Sri Lankan scheme to help fight medical brain drain

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Investor99
pushpakumara
rijayasooriya
gamaya
elakiri
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soileconomy
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Academic
wiki
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Sandstorm

Sandstorm
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Manager - Equity Analytics

http://lbt.lk/news/world/410-sri-lankan-brain-drain

schacha


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Dr are like fundamentals at CSE. Never or hardly appreciated.

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Sri Lankan government giving only penny salaries to professionals like Doctors,University lectures,Engineers etc. and expect to make Sri Lanka the Wonder of Asia!!!! Razz

Doctors,Enginners can earn one month government salary if they work in foreign country for one day. So there is no apparent reason for them to Stay in Sri Lanka.

We should thank all the professionals,University academics who stay in government sector job for a penny salary and give their contribution to national development.

RockStock


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

schacha wrote:Dr are like fundamentals at CSE. Never or hardly appreciated.

That's absolutely right. I saw in a recent TV interview at Derana TV. The Specialist doctor showed his government monthly salary slip it's only 59000/=, and he has returned Sri lanka from UK refusing an offer of Rs.1.5 million per month salary there. I think private sector laborer or driver earn a salary closer to that these days.

I'm wondering whether the fool is the government or That Doctor who refused 1.5 million per month offer. clown

CSE-Daham


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

Sri Lankan government giving only penny salaries to professionals like Doctors,University lectures,Engineers etc. and expect to make Sri Lanka the Wonder of Asia!!!!

Doctors,Enginners can earn one month government salary if they work in foreign country for one day. So there is no apparent reason for them to Stay in Sri Lanka.

We should thank all the professionals,University academics who stay in government sector job for a penny salary and give their contribution to national development.

Well said....................

Anyway government try to established privet medical faculties in sri lanka.(PMC).So what their expected to retain money which will be drain to other countries.Do you know how much we are expending to import APPLE to here for a one year.It is more and more than what the education drain.
Doctors are the professionals who is having grate biological ,social and medical knowledge regard to human beings which is the "most valuable" thing on earth.They are the professionals who are having grate social responsibility,so they can't go strikes or other protest all of a sudden.
Anyway they satisfy half of their life for education rather 1/3. Without any payment from society.Medical carrier is that of most stressful path in world where they having grate responsibility
of a life.

Tiger

Tiger
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

I am against anybody is having free lunch, We should increase the intake of students to these faculties and then even if they leave the country in the long run country will be benefited. That is excatly what India is doing, if you see there are Indian Doctors, Engineers, Accountants, IT, etc... etc... professional working all around the world.
This protectionism in education in Sri Lanka is really killing the future of Sri Lanka.

wiki


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

agreed...... all the professionals need to pay a reasonably good salary. specially if government really wants to make a miracle in Sri Lanka..





Academic


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Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

WildBear wrote:Sri Lankan government giving only penny salaries to professionals like Doctors,University lectures,Engineers etc. and expect to make Sri Lanka the Wonder of Asia!!!! Razz

Doctors,Enginners can earn one month government salary if they work in foreign country for one day. So there is no apparent reason for them to Stay in Sri Lanka.

We should thank all the professionals,University academics who stay in government sector job for a penny salary and give their contribution to national development.


Specially research capabilities are underutilized. Less funds for research/experiments leads to lesser knowledge creation. Lesser knowledge leads to cornering in the knowledge society.

RockStock


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

WildBear wrote:Sri Lankan government giving only penny salaries to professionals like Doctors,University lectures,Engineers etc. and expect to make Sri Lanka the Wonder of Asia!!!! Razz

Doctors,Enginners can earn one month government salary if they work in foreign country for one day. So there is no apparent reason for them to Stay in Sri Lanka.

We should thank all the professionals,University academics who stay in government sector job for a penny salary and give their contribution to national development.


Besides all that it is pathetic that the Higher Education minister S.B. Dissanayaka's behavior against University Lectures few month ago and now against doctors. He acts like a crazy dog in front of professionals tongue .

We should encourage private sector participation in education including medical education, but it seems current PMC at Malabe is like another sakwithi buisiness. They have collected 60 lakhs from students even without having a hospital for their training. It's like you teach swimming without even seeing water.

Carolis


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

RockStock wrote:
schacha wrote:Dr are like fundamentals at CSE. Never or hardly appreciated.

That's absolutely right. I saw in a recent TV interview at Derana TV. The Specialist doctor showed his government monthly salary slip it's only 59000/=, and he has returned Sri lanka from UK refusing an offer of Rs.1.5 million per month salary there. I think private sector laborer or driver earn a salary closer to that these days.

I'm wondering whether the fool is the government or That Doctor who refused 1.5 million per month offer. clown
Nicely said Rockstock.
That is a very good question.

soileconomy

soileconomy
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

We should encourage more more private medical colleges in sri Lanka.We need doctors .Patients are wasting time in ques(In private and governments hospitals).Doctors are considered as gods in SL becoz we dont have the required amount.But unfortunately they are the people(Doctors) who are opposed for private Medical Colleges bcoz they loose the business.That is why Some doctors refused to give practical training to those students(at private University) .They are not in National interest but Interested in their business.That is very pathetic.
If we take other countries situation is quite different.Patients are given utmost care , but here ,unfortunately doctors .
No one talks about billions of monies which goes to other countries for education.Even some south Asian Countries are far ahead of us in term of this issue.
No one is interested in National Issue , every one is interested in their private...........
Ultimately victims are patients

Tiger

Tiger
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

soileconomy wrote:We should encourage more more private medical colleges in sri Lanka.We need doctors .Patients are wasting time in ques(In private and governments hospitals).Doctors are considered as gods in SL becoz we dont have the required amount.But unfortunately they are the people(Doctors) who are opposed for private Medical Colleges bcoz they loose the business.That is why Some doctors refused to give practical training to those students(at private University) .They are not in National interest but Interested in their business.That is very pathetic.
If we take other countries situation is quite different.Patients are given utmost care , but here ,unfortunately doctors .
No one talks about billions of monies which goes to other countries for education.Even some south Asian Countries are far ahead of us in term of this issue.
No one is interested in National Issue , every one is interested in their private...........
Ultimately victims are patients

Exactly correct. We need to give more oppertunitites to students. If you look at IT earlier there were only gvt universicites gave IT degrees now see the situation. In the long run it will help the whole country.

udeni

udeni
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

There is lack of space to accommodate more undergraduates in national universities especially Colombo Medical College. In the library preference should be given to seniors and if a fresher is seated and having meals at the canteen and if a senior comes in the former has to get up and go. Most probably due to lack of space for the 2010/2011 new entrants only one parent is invited on the first day. So, the parents have to decide which one was most instrumental in his/her son/daughter going to the medical college or they have to toss a coin! Smile








elakiri


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

I thought this is a forum taking about shares, but here what is happening

gamaya


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Doctors, Engineers and Academics are treated like dirt in SL. These kind of people needs motivation for self actualisation. Thats to be the best one can be, to do innovations, breakthrough to new ground.

Instead now they are forced to think how to make ends meet. How to build a house, how to finance childrens education, health needs etc. The way things are going, wonder of asia is just a dream.

Nowadays the few remaing professionals in the country are just puppets who have to dance to the tune of politic jokers. These jokers make the policy decisions, set out priorities for their personnal gain or as part of their power game.

Besides tourism, is their any strategic planning to start new industries, to do reverse engineering on import products and produce local substitutes atleast on certain niche products?

Almost all the mega construction products now come with a foreign loan. So they comes with the attached condition of the design built, or built component being awarded to a company of the funding country. What the foreign company does is have a joint venture, sub contract the project to local Design,Engineering,Construction companies at a cheap rate. So ultimately the foreign company takes away, more than a neat 50% as profits by just being an intermediary party; and the country pays the loan and interest for a long long time.
What if the local funds like EPF be mobilised to do the funding for these projects at a suitable interest rate? Surely that would be better than crappy investments like buying shares at peaks? and more beneficial for the country. Local Engineers, construction companies are more than capable of the design built part. They just need recognition, respect, which they are not getting at the moment.

gamaya


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

soileconomy wrote:We should encourage more more private medical colleges in sri Lanka.We need doctors .Patients are wasting time in ques(In private and governments hospitals).Doctors are considered as gods in SL becoz we dont have the required amount.But unfortunately they are the people(Doctors) who are opposed for private Medical Colleges bcoz they loose the business.That is why Some doctors refused to give practical training to those students(at private University) .They are not in National interest but Interested in their business.That is very pathetic.
If we take other countries situation is quite different.Patients are given utmost care , but here ,unfortunately doctors .
No one talks about billions of monies which goes to other countries for education.Even some south Asian Countries are far ahead of us in term of this issue.
No one is interested in National Issue , every one is interested in their private...........
Ultimately victims are patients

Cant agree with you more. Negligence is frequently happening and have anybody heard of a case where a medical staff found guilty. Very rare. May be they do some re-arrangments with patients records?

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

soileconomy wrote:We should encourage more more private medical colleges in sri Lanka.We need doctors .Patients are wasting time in ques(In private and governments hospitals).Doctors are considered as gods in SL becoz we dont have the required amount.But unfortunately they are the people(Doctors) who are opposed for private Medical Colleges bcoz they loose the business.That is why Some doctors refused to give practical training to those students(at private University) .They are not in National interest but Interested in their business.That is very pathetic.
If we take other countries situation is quite different.Patients are given utmost care , but here ,unfortunately doctors .
No one talks about billions of monies which goes to other countries for education.Even some south Asian Countries are far ahead of us in term of this issue.
No one is interested in National Issue , every one is interested in their private...........
Ultimately victims are patients

You can not open private medical colleges in every junctions.There are lot of requirenment to make a good doctor.First thing is very good clinical exposure.Medical students in government faculties have very good clinical exposure as there are attached hospitals. If there is private medical college there must be good hospital most importantantly with adequate number of corporative patients.

Otherthing is do u know the amount of a basis salary of a government doctor? Do u know how many hours a doctor work for day as overtime duty and how many hours thay are paid as overtime per day? It is the pathetic situation.

Of course there are a few doctors who consider this as a bussiness.But the most are doing very great service even for a penny salary.

pushpakumara


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

gamaya wrote:
soileconomy wrote:We should encourage more more private medical colleges in sri Lanka.We need doctors .Patients are wasting time in ques(In private and governments hospitals).Doctors are considered as gods in SL becoz we dont have the required amount.But unfortunately they are the people(Doctors) who are opposed for private Medical Colleges bcoz they loose the business.That is why Some doctors refused to give practical training to those students(at private University) .They are not in National interest but Interested in their business.That is very pathetic.
If we take other countries situation is quite different.Patients are given utmost care , but here ,unfortunately doctors .
No one talks about billions of monies which goes to other countries for education.Even some south Asian Countries are far ahead of us in term of this issue.
No one is interested in National Issue , every one is interested in their private...........
Ultimately victims are patients

Cant agree with you more. Negligence is frequently happening and have anybody heard of a case where a medical staff found guilty. Very rare. May be they do some re-arrangments with patients records?

Whatever it is government should not let the qualtiy of people in this profession to drop because they deal with patience and lives. One minor mistake could cost a life of a person. So it is not the numbers of medical faculties it is the quality of the professionals who pass out from those institutions. So far our doctors have been doing excellent job but only highlights wrongs done by few professionals. It covers the good done by vast majority of these professionals. Government spends millions to make a doctor and it is upto the doctors to decide whether to practice in Sri Lanka or elsewhere after doing some service in Sri Lanka or any other alternative arrangment considering the free education they received from the state

Investor99


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

gamaya wrote:Doctors, Engineers and Academics are treated like dirt in SL. These kind of people needs motivation for self actualisation. Thats to be the best one can be, to do innovations, breakthrough to new ground.

Instead now they are forced to think how to make ends meet. How to build a house, how to finance childrens education, health needs etc. The way things are going, wonder of asia is just a dream.

Nowadays the few remaing professionals in the country are just puppets who have to dance to the tune of politic jokers. These jokers make the policy decisions, set out priorities for their personnal gain or as part of their power game.

Besides tourism, is their any strategic planning to start new industries, to do reverse engineering on import products and produce local substitutes atleast on certain niche products?

Almost all the mega construction products now come with a foreign loan. So they comes with the attached condition of the design built, or built component being awarded to a company of the funding country. What the foreign company does is have a joint venture, sub contract the project to local Design,Engineering,Construction companies at a cheap rate. So ultimately the foreign company takes away, more than a neat 50% as profits by just being an intermediary party; and the country pays the loan and interest for a long long time.
What if the local funds like EPF be mobilised to do the funding for these projects at a suitable interest rate? Surely that would be better than crappy investments like buying shares at peaks? and more beneficial for the country. Local Engineers, construction companies are more than capable of the design built part. They just need recognition, respect, which they are not getting at the moment.

From what I have heard for the loans granted from China, the Chinese companies should be granted the tender and raw materials should be bought from China some of the labour force should be recruited from China and the interest rate for these loans are a bit higher. Only think is that when China grants loans it does not and question about human right or economic policies like other world bodies.

Roboticfx

Roboticfx
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Today 60000 salary is not enough for a month. At least 80000 salary is wanted to fulfill all requirements.(even for a small family which has only 4-5members like my one)

pathfinder

pathfinder
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics


This is a very hot topic,I have seen some of our members put their ideas without knowing the depth of the situation.All post relly on the salary of a consultant,who has 11 years medical trainning. Please pay your attention to the below facts,

For MEDICAL OFFICER who has completed more than 5years trainning,
Basic -26500 LKR
OT per hour-210 LKR
Max no of hours per month 120
Max no of hours per day 4
A night oncall starts from 4.00pm-8.00am ====16hours
[ONLY ALLOW TO CLAIM FOR 4 HOURS PER DAY]



Don't think that doctors are doing a bussiness with patients,Don't under estimate doctors patiance as a timid thing,if all Drs resign from the government and do private practise they could earn above penny salary within 4 days [without on call nights]

For PMC issue,
PMC is not a bad thing,but there should be qualification requirments,supervision by gov.medical faculties etc... PMC should not like pastry shops where you can buy MEDICAL DEGREE as hot hot pastry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE POSTING THINGS

WildBear


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

watch dog wrote:
This is a very hot topic,I have seen some of our members put their ideas without knowing the depth of the situation.All post relly on the salary of a consultant,who has 11 years medical trainning. Please pay your attention to the below facts,

For MEDICAL OFFICER who has completed more than 5years trainning,
Basic -26500 LKR
OT per hour-210 LKR
Max no of hours per month 120
Max no of hours per day 4
A night oncall starts from 4.00pm-8.00am ====16hours
[ONLY ALLOW TO CLAIM FOR 4 HOURS PER DAY]



Don't think that doctors are doing a bussiness with patients,Don't under estimate doctors patiance as a timid thing,if all Drs resign from the government and do private practise they could earn above penny salary within 4 days [without on call nights]

For PMC issue,
PMC is not a bad thing,but there should be qualification requirments,supervision by gov.medical faculties etc... PMC should not like pastry shops where you can buy MEDICAL DEGREE as hot hot pastry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SO PLEASE THINK TWICE BEFORE POSTING THINGS


It s pathetic to see the way the government treating the processionals even after winning the war.We need more and more professionals in Sri lanka now if we are to build up this country.

Sadly Sri Lankan politicians don't see any thing beyond the next election or next budget. we saw the Higher education minister SB and the government's response towards the university lectures who demanded for a very reasonable salary hike. SB called them as dogs,Fox etc.

Now we don't see any qualified Engineers,Accountants,Architects join the government sector.The biggest problem happen when the university lectors and the doctors start to leave the government sector. The whole system will collapse in a short period of time. Evil or Very Mad

Academic


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

As far as quality is controlled no matter who offers the degree, either private or public. I believe in free system. If any of us have money and capability there should be opportunities to take any degree (including medical). What can we achieve through blocking others?

RockStock


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Academic wrote:
As far as quality is controlled no matter who offers the degree, either private or public. I believe in free system. If any of us have money and capability there should be opportunities to take any degree (including medical). What can we achieve through blocking others?

It's always good to have private sector participation in education including medical education.I think we are a bit late in initiating it when compared progress of privatization of other sectors.

Quality of education would be of utmost value who ever it is given, state or private sector, and quality is especially important with regard to heath care including training of doctors,nurses etc. Because if quality is compromised in this sector you will not be alive to talk about it and criticize it. I think recent Private sector Medical college at Malabe opened even without a hospital. How can doctors be trained without patients?

After the open economy policy initiated in 1977 we saw private sector growth in many sectors.Some developments are really appreciable and some are horrible.

One example for good development is private banks. Those days people have to spend their entire day in state sector banks, and with emergence of private sector banks, story has changed completely,

One horrible example is Private buses and every one knows how horrible is it.

By seeing at developing condition, We can see the ongoing private medical college move towards the horrible category like the private buses, which will end up with catastrophic result.

However it's good to see the development of some quality private sector education institutes in the field of IT, Commerce,Accountancy etc
Eg: ,APIIT,IIT SLIIT(State but paid institute)etc.

sawdanjema


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this is the wonder of asia!!!!!!!!!!!!

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