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Who have experience in long term investments?

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ccsentha


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Is there any of you who have experience in long term investments?

Guys if so please share your experiences. We have heard many success stories, is there some one who had been affected by long term investment?



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Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:41 pm by Academic

Loosing commonwealth games may negatively affect JKH and this effect may be strong enough to drag the market to red territory. Just my idea. Don't make your investment decision on this.

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:53 pm by WildBear

@smallville wrote:Here's something for the children who dont understand the value of long term investments..

I've taken these from Mr. Dilruk's (Richard Peiris Securities) presentations on "Mastering the skills of trading"...
So my utmost gratitude goes to him and the broker company for their hard work..

My intention of publishing some of the pages here are only for members knowledge and not to promote any broker company..

Who have experience in long term investments? - Page 3 Jkh-gr10

Who have experience in long term investments? - Page 3 Jkh-fr10

Who have experience in long term investments? - Page 3 Hnb-fr10

Who have experience in long term investments? - Page 3 Guar-f10

Who have experience in long term investments? - Page 3 Dfcc-g10

This is very illustrative, especially those brats who think "Long term investments are mistakes of Short term investments". Those who can't think any thing beyond plantations, we can't help Twisted Evil

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:06 pm by WildBear

Not only above individual experience, If we look at how some institutions gain massively from investment in equity, we'll be able to see the clear story

Few examples-
-RICH invested in AAIC at Rs.20 and recently disposed at 120 within 6-7 years.
-KDDP invested in REEF when it was 1-2 rupees(before consolidation, 1/- share) and we know at which price he sold.
-Lanka-Bangla investment by SAMP- Their initial investment was only 60 million rupees, and we saw it consistently strengthened SAMP balance sheet in past couple of years and will be in future.

But some of us waiting till a so called "Rally" make them millionaires in overnight

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:10 pm by Dr.Bubble

@Kumar wrote:Why we can't move this to Expert chamber?
Valuable argument is going on no?

didn't quibi offered you the moderatorship (@moderators topic implies).. Very Happy

Rajitha

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:19 pm by Rajitha

Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!

Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009! I will show you an example of investing outside stock exchange!
My father bought a land in kandy in year 1999 for 120000! by year 2009 the estimated and people calling and asking price of land was Rs 2000000!(Now about 1800000) That was a 16x gain in 10 years!
IF you put the cash at a treasury bill in year 1990 and took it around 2000 you would have gained 6x!!

Rajitha

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:22 pm by Rajitha

@WildBear wrote:Not only above individual experience, If we look at how some institutions gain massively from investment in equity, we'll be able to see the clear story

Few examples-
-RICH invested in AAIC at Rs.20 and recently disposed at 120 within 6-7 years.
-KDDP invested in REEF when it was 1-2 rupees(before consolidation, 1/- share) and we know at which price he sold.
-Lanka-Bangla investment by SAMP- Their initial investment was only 60 million rupees, and we saw it consistently strengthened SAMP balance sheet in past couple of years and will be in future.

But some of us waiting till a so called "Rally" make them millionaires in overnight

Those are really bad examples m8 and are great for the point I'm making! For example If you bought reef before 1st mandatory offer hold 1 month sold then again buy before 2nd mandatory offer and sold you could have earned more than 2x the amount of holding it for over 5 years period!

Monster

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:26 pm by Monster

@Kumar wrote:Why we can't move this to Expert chamber?
Valuable argument is going on no?
Very interesting topic. Moved to expert chamber.

Monster

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:29 pm by Monster

@Academic wrote:
Loosing commonwealth games may negatively affect JKH and this effect may be strong enough to drag the market to red territory. Just my idea. Don't make your investment decision on this.
Can you explain it more in detail please! How loosing commonwealth games could effect negative for JKH. scratch

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Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:05 pm by WildBear

@Rajitha wrote:
@WildBear wrote:Not only above individual experience, If we look at how some institutions gain massively from investment in equity, we'll be able to see the clear story

Few examples-
-RICH invested in AAIC at Rs.20 and recently disposed at 120 within 6-7 years.
-KDDP invested in REEF when it was 1-2 rupees(before consolidation, 1/- share) and we know at which price he sold.
-Lanka-Bangla investment by SAMP- Their initial investment was only 60 million rupees, and we saw it consistently strengthened SAMP balance sheet in past couple of years and will be in future.

But some of us waiting till a so called "Rally" make them millionaires in overnight

Those are really bad examples m8 and are great for the point I'm making! For example If you bought reef before 1st mandatory offer hold 1 month sold then again buy before 2nd mandatory offer and sold you could have earned more than 2x the amount of holding it for over 5 years period!

The topic is about "Long term investing" and not about "Swing Trading".

Dr.Bubble

Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:40 pm by Dr.Bubble

@Rajitha wrote:Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!

Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009! I will show you an example of investing outside stock exchange!
My father bought a land in kandy in year 1999 for 120000! by year 2009 the estimated and people calling and asking price of land was Rs 2000000!(Now about 1800000) That was a 16x gain in 10 years!
IF you put the cash at a treasury bill in year 1990 and took it around 2000 you would have gained 6x!!

hi RAJITHA,you are an less experience guy in CSE,you have a long way to go..im sure you are a just a new comer to CSE who seen only the BULL... lolzzzzzzzzzz

learn well bro, experience worth than knowledge in current mkt..which is less in you Very Happy

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Post Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:30 pm by ccsentha

My view is that, short term will be a winning technique for some people and long term will be a winning technique for some others.

When we go long term the chances of getting a better profit than FD increases. Winning percentage would be high.

But in short term similar or better profit can be gained if we sell and buy at the right time. But chances of archiving this is far less.

sriranga

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:13 am by sriranga

@ccsentha wrote:My view is that, short term will be a winning technique for some people and long term will be a winning technique for some others.

When we go long term the chances of getting a better profit than FD increases. Winning percentage would be high.

But in short term similar or better profit can be gained if we sell and buy at the right time. But chances of archiving this is far less.

Hi ccsentha,
I really thankful to you for this topic at this precise moment.
We had seen some healthy comments from our members.
Good luck.

Monster

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:23 am by Monster

@Rajitha wrote:Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!

Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009! I will show you an example of investing outside stock exchange!
My father bought a land in kandy in year 1999 for 120000! by year 2009 the estimated and people calling and asking price of land was Rs 2000000!(Now about 1800000) That was a 16x gain in 10 years!
IF you put the cash at a treasury bill in year 1990 and took it around 2000 you would have gained 6x!!
Investing on land or property may not work all the time. It depends on the time we invest ( like stock market). I purchased a land in late 2008 in Colombo suburbs for 3.2 million. But still my land value is stagnated at the same value. If I invest that amount in Stock market at that time, I would have earned many times for my investment. However, I didn't mean that investing on land or property is a bad option.

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Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:24 am by ccsentha

And as a short term investor we would need to spend a lot of time with share market, but in long term investment we can afford to spend little more less time with share market, thus we will be able concentrate on other aspects of our careers.

I would prefer long term investment.

UKboy

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:45 am by UKboy

@Rajitha wrote: Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009!
If you were an investor prior to 2009
HNB 2005 you could buy the share for Rs 52.50
HNB 2007 you could sell the same share for Rs 210.00

During this time there was a right issue of 2:5 for Rs 55 as well.

Its over X3 times gain in less than two years time.
If you need more........ just check DIST as well.

If you were a trader prior to 2009
Those days if you had played with touchwood correctly you could have been always end up in good results in short periods.

Didn't you see any of the above posts before crying like a new born child.. Laughing Hope you wont ask silly questions again again and again..!

Slstock

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:05 am by Slstock

@Kithsiri wrote:
@rijayasooriya wrote:Please consider the deflation of rupee value when reading these stories.
ඒ කාලේ සීයකින් කරපු වැඩ දැන් ලක්ෂයකින් කරන්නත් බැහැ නොවැ... Wink

I bought NTB @ 18 but I am still not in a mood to retire or give my daughter away in marriage.

Will the history be repeated (The elderly gentleman’s story) in a few years time when it comes to me for both those actions?

I am very sceptical as way the things are running in this country at the moment, unless we see a great change soon. Rolling Eyes

Hold onto NTB not issue there. Hope that in the future you can repeat the same story. Good luck.

Ps: BTW, I was trying to remember who told that story. It could well be Chinwi.

UKboy

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:13 am by UKboy

@Rajitha wrote: Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009! I will show you an example of investing outside stock exchange!
My father bought a land in kandy in year 1999 for 120000! by year 2009 the estimated and people calling and asking price of land was Rs 2000000!(Now about 1800000) That was a 16x gain in 10 years!
IF you put the cash at a treasury bill in year 1990 and took it around 2000 you would have gained 6x!!

DISTILLERIES cost merely Rs 5.00 in 2001
Selling price was Rs 130.00 in 2007.

26X times in 6 years.!

Any more questions?

Slstock

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:03 am by Slstock

@Rajitha wrote:Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!



Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? If some bought 100 shares of RICH at RS 150 and he got a split 15 for 1 share, then the value of each now will be Rs 10 a share. Also the same person will own 15 TIMES more shares.

Who is crazy to say, I bought 100 shares at Rs 150, now it is Rs 10 and poor me I lost 93%!

And conveniently forgets to disclose that you own 1500 shares now instead of 100 when you first bought. `

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Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:44 am by seyon

Very intersting post, I also have experiance as long term investor. I bought CARS and BUKI in 2007, I can remmber CARS i bought @ 1900 and BUKI @ 850, but very few qty. Thoseday very diffult to aford these investment. today see the value... ( in between there were attractive splits from both counters)

Yes u can argue that this substantial price rise due to illiquid nature of share, Yes can be... But being as long term investors, u gain substaial value with good sleeping.

rijayasooriya

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:51 am by rijayasooriya

@slstock wrote:
@Rajitha wrote:Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!



Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? If some bought 100 shares of RICH at RS 150 and he got a split 15 for 1 share, then the value of each now will be Rs 10 a share. Also the same person will own 15 TIMES more shares.

Who is crazy to say, I bought 100 shares at Rs 150, now it is Rs 10 and poor me I lost 93%!

And conveniently forgets to disclose that you own 1500 shares now instead of 100 when you first bought. `
I think Rajitha has tried to mention that he had considered spliting for his previous posts.To prove that he might have got that example of RICH.(He said IF not meaning if splitting has not been considered.)
What Rajitha lack is the experience which is one of the most valuable thing in stock market(actually everywhere.)

Slstock

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:15 am by Slstock

@rijayasooriya wrote:
@slstock wrote:
@Rajitha wrote:Values I posted are accounting for splits I mentioned and as it should be! That gives a right picture of price ! IF not some one might say I bought Rich at rs 120 and now its rs 10 I lost billions!



Seriously, what on earth are you talking about? If some bought 100 shares of RICH at RS 150 and he got a split 15 for 1 share, then the value of each now will be Rs 10 a share. Also the same person will own 15 TIMES more shares.

Who is crazy to say, I bought 100 shares at Rs 150, now it is Rs 10 and poor me I lost 93%!

And conveniently forgets to disclose that you own 1500 shares now instead of 100 when you first bought. `
I think Rajitha has tried to mention that he had considered spliting for his previous posts.To prove that he might have got that example of RICH.(He said IF not meaning if splitting has not been considered.)
What Rajitha lack is the experience which is one of the most valuable thing in stock market(actually everywhere.)


Yes that maybe the case as I also see it but then same fact I mentioned hold. We cannot talk share value while forgetting share quantity increases.

If the face values mentioned are considering after splits , then we should also consider the capital gains by the increase of the number of shares held.



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Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:54 pm by Academic

@Monster wrote:
@Academic wrote:
Loosing commonwealth games may negatively affect JKH and this effect may be strong enough to drag the market to red territory. Just my idea. Don't make your investment decision on this.
Can you explain it more in detail please! How loosing commonwealth games could effect negative for JKH. scratch

Please see my post in http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t11550-expert-chamber

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Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:51 pm by WildBear

@UKboy wrote:
@Rajitha wrote: Also as I have said all of you again forgot the 2009 RULE! Show me gains of long term investments before 2009! I will show you an example of investing outside stock exchange!
My father bought a land in kandy in year 1999 for 120000! by year 2009 the estimated and people calling and asking price of land was Rs 2000000!(Now about 1800000) That was a 16x gain in 10 years!
IF you put the cash at a treasury bill in year 1990 and took it around 2000 you would have gained 6x!!

DISTILLERIES cost merely Rs 5.00 in 2001
Selling price was Rs 130.00 in 2007.

26X times in 6 years.!

Any more questions?

This Rajitha boy is still new to the market and probably left school recently, though he posts like a Capital Market Guru.He is in ealrly stages of his learning curve. So let's give him some more time to learn these things.

Properties of some areas appreciated more rapidly than other areas due to some special reasons; I think as Monster explained most of the forum members know we had a property bubble created in 2002-2007 and what happened after 2008, some property companies are still recovering, and the land value in Colombo Suberbs are still stagnating except some commercial prime lands. If you read something on History of CSE, and Sri Lanka economic performance, It's obvious that in General, Stocks Outperformed other asset classes during past 30 years as well as past 3 years.

amilaela

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:09 pm by amilaela

thanks for ur post

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Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:11 pm by WildBear

@Academic wrote:
@Monster wrote:
@Academic wrote:
Loosing commonwealth games may negatively affect JKH and this effect may be strong enough to drag the market to red territory. Just my idea. Don't make your investment decision on this.
Can you explain it more in detail please! How loosing commonwealth games could effect negative for JKH. scratch

Please see my post in http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t11550-expert-chamber

Being an academic you simply fall in to the expert category, So please Contribute; Otherwise apprentice brats like Rajitha will bravely talk nonsense all the time. Very Happy

By the way I am not an expert at all on capital markets and my field is different, I have only around 10 years experience of Capital Markets which I started when I was a University Student.

sriranga

Post Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:51 pm by sriranga

Please see the following link
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t12425-brainteaser-quiz-result-cic-company-detail-updated#82334
You can see how much CIC shares volume appreciated due to bonus/right shares issued in the relevant period.
Do the calculation, may be you'll be surprised how much capital gain those investors could have?

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Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:58 pm by ccsentha

Any one else got experience with investing for 5-10 or more years?

econ

Post Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:41 pm by econ

if the prices of my shares have gone down drastically, then that investment automatically would become long term investment since I do not want lose my capital. Very Happy

Chinwi

Post Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:33 pm by Chinwi

I reproduce here a comment I made in another topic.
(http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t18935-citk-crossing#124237)


In 1980s a Company ( I think it is BUKI) was trading around 17 Rupees in CSE.
They started a plantation of palm oil in 5000 Ha land in Malaysia. For next 4 years they reported losses and negative PER. People who consider PER for their all decisions had no interest in this loss making company.

There were few smart guys who read reports carefully and studied the nature of businesses of the companies they buy. They realized the huge future potential of that particular share and collected in quantities each month using their salary savings.

After 5 years of planting, the company had 5000 ha of mature palm trees bringing them millions .

After some years, the share price in CSE rose to Rs. 22,000/-.
( 1 share traded at twenty two thousand)
Later they split it (bonus) several times to make it liquid.

Imagine a person who bought only 100 shares by investing 1,800 was able to get 2.2 million in few years time. ( I cannot remember the dates).

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Post Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:31 pm by ccsentha

@Chinwi wrote:I reproduce here a comment I made in another topic.
(http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t18935-citk-crossing#124237)


In 1980s a Company ( I think it is BUKI) was trading around 17 Rupees in CSE.
They started a plantation of palm oil in 5000 Ha land in Malaysia. For next 4 years they reported losses and negative PER. People who consider PER for their all decisions had no interest in this loss making company.

There were few smart guys who read reports carefully and studied the nature of businesses of the companies they buy. They realized the huge future potential of that particular share and collected in quantities each month using their salary savings.

After 5 years of planting, the company had 5000 ha of mature palm trees bringing them millions .

After some years, the share price in CSE rose to Rs. 22,000/-.
( 1 share traded at twenty two thousand)
Later they split it (bonus) several times to make it liquid.

Imagine a person who bought only 100 shares by investing 1,800 was able to get 2.2 million in few years time. ( I cannot remember the dates).

mmm...interesting one......hope we can get to know more real stories like this.

which will help our investor to make value investing

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