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Rajaraam


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Vice President - Equity Analytics

tubal wrote:
kam2011 wrote:
tubal wrote:
kam2011 wrote:Many members have already explained. I dont think that you have not read them. Sorry tubal,It is not worth to waste four time on those two persons.

Have they? SLStock has given an explaination above? but no one else has said what exactly it is that they have done wrong. If you can't spare thirty seconds to type it out, could be so kind as to copy and paste a link to a previous post giving a detailed explaination?

thank you so much.

tubal here is some more;

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t13475-sec-cancels-meeting-tomorrow-with-stock-brokers#88004




What you mean to say the SEC cancelling the meeting is ruining the market? The forum is getting more and more like a mad house. No wonder even foreigners have started panic selling. They want to get the hell out of the mad house as quickly as possible.


Well said .You are right. SEC made our market a mud house. I too agree with u.Foreiners and most srilankans also exiting for their own benifit.

econ


Global Moderator

smallville wrote:We're back to the square one..

econ..
Why brokers did not force sell earlier? cuz they've given credit than they supposed to give as per initial SEC rules, clients were paying interest and keeping the credit.. now if every1 were adhering 2 rules couldn't they comply with the requirement and sell by T+3 or T+5 at least without keeping it extended?

Very few did so but the credit kept accumulating..

Leasing is not an example we can take here, its a lending business.. clients keep paying the monthly fee+interest to obtain that facility..
stocks are not on lend, u need to buy those.. Wink

Even though these two officials did some brainless stuff here and there, we wouldn't be in a big mess if the credit were cleared by June 30, 2011..
Extending the time was the devil as I see it..

leasing, bank loans, margin tradings, housing loans all are credits.. when people could not pay back whole market can collapse.. US housing bubble is caused by sub prime mortgage loan not by broker credits, Japan stock/real estate price bubble was caused by bank loans not by broker credits. so the sri lankan bank loans and leasing business is far worse than broker credits. on the other hand, amount of broker credits is far less than the amount of leasing.. Also, Do you think every customer pay their lease until the term. I know many are just buying vehicle on lease and selling with a lease to another. so it is also just a buying and selling on credits similar to margin trading..

aj


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Deviating from the current topic, but talking about the bank loans and leased vehicles,

How much work do you have to do to make get bank loan, do they just give the bank loan as soon as you enter like the brokers? They valuated the property, take it as mortgage, all sorts of insurances. After all that if you can't pay up they have the properly valued property to auction.

How about leased vehicles? Do they overvalue the vehicles or or they just give it the fair value? And if the customer doesn't pay, they have the fairly valued vehicle to auction and get the remainder.

What about stocks? How much background check, valuations do brokers do before giving credit? Each credit pushes the price up? Brokers don't have limits, ethics and brains. They only want money. We have a stock over valued at 25+ 35+ 100+ and if the customer doesn't pay the broker can sell it for 50 cents and then what?

Bank loans, property, vehicles have real concrete value. What about stocks?

See the difference?

Rajaraam


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

aj wrote:Deviating from the current topic, but talking about the bank loans and leased vehicles,

How much work do you have to do to make get bank loan, do they just give the bank loan as soon as you enter like the brokers? They valuated the property, take it as mortgage, all sorts of insurances. After all that if you can't pay up they have the properly valued property to auction.

How about leased vehicles? Do they overvalue the vehicles or or they just give it the fair value? And if the customer doesn't pay, they have the fairly valued vehicle to auction and get the remainder.

What about stocks? How much background check, valuations do brokers do before giving credit? Each credit pushes the price up? Brokers don't have limits, ethics and brains. They only want money. We have a stock over valued at 25+ 35+ 100+ and if the customer doesn't pay the broker can sell it for 50 cents and then what?

Bank loans, property, vehicles have real concrete value. What about stocks?




See the difference?

Lender is taking a risk. For that they charge an interest. yes, to certain extend there is a difference between shares and Motor vehicles,Property etc. But everybody knows that you can obtain nearly 100% credit for those tangible assets. But shares you get a maximum of 50% of your share value. That is coz of the defference you mentioned.

gann


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

I cant believe you guys want to hand over an all seeing eye to a regulator.
A centralized system would be ideal for the manupulators get all the reports they need from one stop shop. pirat
Duke welcome back Smile

Rajaraam


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

tubal wrote:
kam2011 wrote:tubal wrote
What you mean to say the SEC cancelling the meeting is ruining the market? The forum is getting more and more like a mad house. No wonder even foreigners have started panic selling. They want to get the hell out of the mad house as quickly as possible.

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You are complaining that the market which went up 375% has dropped 20% ? How much do you charge for shining a pair of shoes?
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tubal
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Not the topic. Could you pl. spend 30 seconds to read the posts under that.



I have already done so, there are all kinds of people saying the SEC ruined the market but no one can say anything specific - except that they changed the credit rules - which they did they made the credit rules more relaxed.


tubal, this is a link which you can read your own words on SEC and CSE.


http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t879-murder-at-asho-done-by-broker#5353

sapumal


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Anyone having example about the brokers and investors got caught to hidden eye ? There must be lot because we had many examples of pumping and dumping
GREG,DPL, BLUE, REEF, HVA, CLND, LHCL, PAP, PCH

tubal


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Rajaraam wrote:
tubal wrote:
kam2011 wrote:tubal wrote
What you mean to say the SEC cancelling the meeting is ruining the market? The forum is getting more and more like a mad house. No wonder even foreigners have started panic selling. They want to get the hell out of the mad house as quickly as possible.

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You are complaining that the market which went up 375% has dropped 20% ? How much do you charge for shining a pair of shoes?
http://tubalcse.wordpress.com

tubal
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Not the topic. Could you pl. spend 30 seconds to read the posts under that.



I have already done so, there are all kinds of people saying the SEC ruined the market but no one can say anything specific - except that they changed the credit rules - which they did they made the credit rules more relaxed.


tubal, this is a link which you can read your own words on SEC and CSE.


http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t879-murder-at-asho-done-by-broker#5353

Thank you for the entertainment, That was a post I made about how SEC is failing to catch manipulators. I have been complaining about that all the time that I have been here. I am one of the few people who are doing so. People like you are complaining about the credit. Even in this thread i have asked what wrong have they done other than fail to prevent securities fraud.

ipoguru


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

tubal wrote:
Rajaraam wrote:
tubal wrote:
kam2011 wrote:tubal wrote
What you mean to say the SEC cancelling the meeting is ruining the market? The forum is getting more and more like a mad house. No wonder even foreigners have started panic selling. They want to get the hell out of the mad house as quickly as possible.

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You are complaining that the market which went up 375% has dropped 20% ? How much do you charge for shining a pair of shoes?
http://tubalcse.wordpress.com

tubal
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Posts: 1039
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Not the topic. Could you pl. spend 30 seconds to read the posts under that.



I have already done so, there are all kinds of people saying the SEC ruined the market but no one can say anything specific - except that they changed the credit rules - which they did they made the credit rules more relaxed.


tubal, this is a link which you can read your own words on SEC and CSE.


http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t879-murder-at-asho-done-by-broker#5353

Thank you for the entertainment, That was a post I made about how SEC is failing to catch manipulators. I have been complaining about that all the time that I have been here. I am one of the few people who are doing so. People like you are complaining about the credit. Even in this thread i have asked what wrong have they done other than fail to prevent securities fraud.


They have imposed unrealistic credit clearance dates. What they should have done (if they have seen credit bubble) stop building up more credit... They wanted more and triggered the market crash..

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