Total Credit available to rise to Rs.8.7 billion-SEC allows Credit

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sapumal wrote:Are out investors got mad ?
T+5 is introduced since 2011/1/1
Do we recommend to remove T+5 and go back to original T+3 ????????

My dear friend T+5 or T + 3 is not an issue. That is only 2 days difference. Any how at least within 3 days or 5 days seller will get money. As stock traders we are sellers as well as buyers in any given time. So we as sellers would like to get money as early as possible. Problem here is nonavailability of easy quick credit to allow our finnacial capability to hold some shares which are trading at much lessser price than we paid for. This is a facility we enjoyed for years and all of a sudden stoped by SEC creating problems and increasing frequent selling presure. This selling presure caused for continues ASI dropping. Broker Credit allows someone to hold shares during a short bear. At least he/she could wait till price up to minimise the loss.
We have to understand the difference between broker credit and margin facility given by finnancial institutions.

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insidertrader wrote:

Genting wrote:

econ wrote:lets hope price band also removed. and most importantly T+5 rule..

What is the point of giving credit while T+5 is still there? To utilize credit, there should be some relaxation in T+5. Else, brokers will give credit, lot of credit.. but only for 5 days!

Price band is a useless rule. It doesn't matter if it's there or not. None of the meaningful stocks get the price band.

Since last year brokers can give credit beyond the T+5 days. Even since before that margin providers can give credit beyond T+5 days. If you remove T+5 rule then who is going to pay the seller if buyer is not paying? Does the seller have to wait indefinitely until the buyer pays in T+2500 days? Somebody has to pay the seller. That's where margin providers give the money and brokers since last year. Since last year if the brokers force sell shares it's the brokers' decision not the SEC rule. Your broker has decided to give credit to their favorite (big) customers instead of to you and lied to you that they had to force sell because the SEC told them so.

I agree with insidertrader, T+5 or T+3 is the allowed grace period to settle buyers liability on his purchases.Unless buyer pays for shares he/she bought seller has no way to get money.( however under the present rules broker is responsible for that) We as stock market dealers involved in bboth buying and selling.Therefore we must be happy with the rule of T+3 or T+5. Problem we had was broker credit which is more flexible than so called margin facility provided by banks and financial institutions. Since SEC has now allowed increased amounts of credit by brokers we could expect a bull from tomorrow.

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hey experts, still confused with this t+3 t+5 thing. Can anyone explain it simply? does this have anything to do with the 30% excess buying power we get??

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insidertrader wrote:

Genting wrote:

econ wrote:lets hope price band also removed. and most importantly T+5 rule..

What is the point of giving credit while T+5 is still there? To utilize credit, there should be some relaxation in T+5. Else, brokers will give credit, lot of credit.. but only for 5 days!

Price band is a useless rule. It doesn't matter if it's there or not. None of the meaningful stocks get the price band.

Since last year brokers can give credit beyond the T+5 days. Even since before that margin providers can give credit beyond T+5 days. If you remove T+5 rule then who is going to pay the seller if buyer is not paying? Does the seller have to wait indefinitely until the buyer pays in T+2500 days? Somebody has to pay the seller. That's where margin providers give the money and brokers since last year. Since last year if the brokers force sell shares it's the brokers' decision not the SEC rule. Your broker has decided to give credit to their favorite (big) customers instead of to you and lied to you that they had to force sell because the SEC told them so.

I agree with insidertrader, T+5 or T+3 is the allowed grace period to settle buyers liability on his purchases.Unless buyer pays for shares he/she bought seller has no way to get money.( however under the present rules broker is responsible for that) We as stock market dealers involved in bboth buying and selling.Therefore we must be happy with the rule of T+3 or T+5. Problem we had was broker credit which is more flexible than so called margin facility provided by banks and financial institutions. Since SEC has now allowed increased amounts of credit by brokers we could expect a bull from tomorrow.

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Ok. this is the thing.
Now we are eligible to get 8.7Bn worth credit. That credit is not applicable to T+5. But all the credit beyond that is needed to be clear, so that credit is applicable to T+5.
If your broker is selling your stocks within T+5 then that broker has gone beyond his available credits. Otherwise you can hold your credit beyond T+5 if your portfolio is not diminution

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sapumal wrote:Ok. this is the thing.
Now we are eligible to get 8.7Bn worth credit. That credit is not applicable to T+5. But all the credit beyond that is needed to be clear, so that credit is applicable to T+5.
If your broker is selling your stocks within T+5 then that broker has gone beyond his available credits. Otherwise you can hold your credit beyond T+5 if your portfolio is not diminution

Yes .u are right. Every individual investor/trader should know his/her responsibility.I dont think investore/traders who are dealing shares do not aware of settlement rules.

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sapumal wrote:Ok. this is the thing.
Now we are eligible to get 8.7Bn worth credit. That credit is not applicable to T+5. But all the credit beyond that is needed to be clear, so that credit is applicable to T+5.
If your broker is selling your stocks within T+5 then that broker has gone beyond his available credits. Otherwise you can hold your credit beyond T+5 if your portfolio is not diminution

now clear ...thanks .......

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ude zoysa wrote:hey experts, still confused with this t+3 t+5 thing. Can anyone explain it simply? does this have anything to do with the 30% excess buying power we get??

Dear Zoysa,
T+3 or T+5 is your settlement circle. If you buy shares you have to settle within 3 market days under T+3 or within 5 market days under T+5 . Options are (1)You pay in cash to your broker. (2)You arrange a margin facility with a Bank/Financial institution to settle your dues to the broker and broker will settle it to the seller through CSE.(3)You get a facility from your broker as agreed conditions. Issue here is the time factor. If you have arranged a facility with your broker no additional time required to arrange the facility and therefore without any hesitation you can immediately buy stocks as you wish. Relaxed rules would help the market to improve it's turnover thus encouraging big dealers to re-enter.

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System will fall more into debt, illiquidity will re-surface, need to look for other sources for capital, says broker

The much awaited announcement which kept the stock exchange jittery for weeks was finally made yesterday, with the market closed for a special bank holiday. The country’s capital markets watchdog the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced that limits imposed on brokers to extend credit would be relaxed which would increase the amount of credit available in the market by Rs. 5 billion.

However, a leading broker firm has warned that the market would have to look for other sources for capital because the fresh infusion of credit would soon wear-out.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t14998-sri-lanka-newspaper-17-01-2012#97577

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in the mean time sec should plan to stop bubbles, if not we face the same scinario which popup throghout last year verry soon:pale:

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Nice comment in Broker Leveraging (http://lbo.lk/fullstory.php?nid=1719409673)

3.leasureJan 17
Amaya, I don't think SEC is making a mistake this time. The SEC probably reckons that this will not have any impact. What is 3.7 billion after all? Just enough to absorb a few weeks of foreign selling!
No the SEC probably reckons that once this card is played the broker will not have any other cards to play and the SEC can then carry on their task in peace.

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