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Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now

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greedy007
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1Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:51 am

SRIAS


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Many shares look incredibly cheap in this vicious bear market. But investors still need to be careful to avoid being burnt even more. Simple is best.

History's greatest investor, Warren Buffett, has two simple rules.

* Rule #1: Never lose money.
* Rule #2: Never forget rule #1.

A Big, Sarcastic Thank-you, Warren!

Sure, practically everyone has lost money in this market -- including Buffett. But take it easy on the Oracle of Omaha here, because he's dead-right. Buffett's intense focus on not just investing in great opportunities but avoiding terrible ones has been the key to epic success.

Avoiding soul-sucking investments -- what we investing nerds dub "value traps" -- is hardly rocket science. Yet, incredibly, I see investors new and old alike make the same mistakes over and over again, breaking Buffett's rules and walking right into what seem like obvious value traps.

Having spent way too much time thinking about it, I've concluded that there are five primary categories of these dreaded mistakes. Avoiding these five traps will save you time, money, and more than a little heartache.

Wrapping the traps

To recap, you can smooth and improve your returns if you:

1. Avoid the stalled-out growth stock undergoing a quarter-life crisis.

2. Steer clear of hot small-caps with blah track records.

3. Don't get tripped up by seemingly cheap soaring cyclicals.

4. Think twice about the yield that looks too good to be true.

5. Don't lean on inflated or unadjusted book values.

You've probably picked up on an underlying theme here: You need unconventionally conventional thinking if you want low-stress success in the stock market.

Looking for great, simple-to-understand businesses at good prices is the easiest way to avoid stepping into a value trap -- and bag great returns besides.

2Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:07 pm

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

Thanks friend for sharing a good one.

3Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:48 pm

greedy007


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Thanks for reminding the traps.

4Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:45 am

thighrokker


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

SRIAS wrote:

Wrapping the traps

To recap, you can smooth and improve your returns if you:

1. Avoid the stalled-out growth stock undergoing a quarter-life crisis.

2. Steer clear of hot small-caps with blah track records.

3. Don't get tripped up by seemingly cheap soaring cyclicals.

4. Think twice about the yield that looks too good to be true.

5. Don't lean on inflated or unadjusted book values.


If we follow THESE steps CSE, we will never be able to buy/sell anything.
Wink

What i learnt during my brief time at CSE is - follow the herd and rumors buy quick and sell quicker. If you buy a share and the price starts to drop, just sell it off even with a loss, otherwise waiting for it to pick up makes your losses higher. This would have been good for most of us. Today average portfolio losses are almost 30-40%. Had we sold soon as prices start to fall, losses would have been much much lower, and we would have had valuable cash to buy when things started going up.

Open to discussion, just my view...

5Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:18 am

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

thighrokker wrote:
SRIAS wrote:

Wrapping the traps

To recap, you can smooth and improve your returns if you:

1. Avoid the stalled-out growth stock undergoing a quarter-life crisis.

2. Steer clear of hot small-caps with blah track records.

3. Don't get tripped up by seemingly cheap soaring cyclicals.

4. Think twice about the yield that looks too good to be true.

5. Don't lean on inflated or unadjusted book values.


If we follow THESE steps CSE, we will never be able to buy/sell anything.
Wink

What i learnt during my brief time at CSE is - follow the herd and rumors buy quick and sell quicker. If you buy a share and the price starts to drop, just sell it off even with a loss, otherwise waiting for it to pick up makes your losses higher. This would have been good for most of us. Today average portfolio losses are almost 30-40%. Had we sold soon as prices start to fall, losses would have been much much lower, and we would have had valuable cash to buy when things started going up.

Open to discussion, just my view...

Yes I do agree with your view as a immature investor or trader.
Most of us in CSE especially between 2009-2011 ran behind the shares and burnt our self without proper knowledge.
Who were in the field more than 5 -7 years ask them whether they lost 30-40%,answer might be no.
Unless greediness made them to do trading and burnt them self.

6Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:26 pm

thighrokker


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Redbulls wrote:

Yes I do agree with your view as a immature investor or trader.
Most of us in CSE especially between 2009-2011 ran behind the shares and burnt our self without proper knowledge.
Who were in the field more than 5 -7 years ask them whether they lost 30-40%,answer might be no.
Unless greediness made them to do trading and burnt them self.

I am quite sure that MOST investors are looking at portfolios with losses over 30% by now.
My point was that
1) If you were looking to earn from fundamentals, in CSE, man you are a dreamer!
2) So if you cannot earn on the fundamentals, only the speculative counters are there ( assuming you are still in the CSE)
3) My comment was for THOSE ppl
4) My idea basically boiled down to have a very thing cutoff and get-out limit, so as to minimize losses in case the counter drops

7Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:50 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Experience matters everything.There is a catagory called long term investers.I think they have earned a lot from the fundamentals.Hot blooded people can not understand the value of long term investment.I feel so sorry for them.They can not understand the main reason for their loss.It is because the stupid following of those speculative counters.

8Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:54 pm

thighrokker


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

rijayasooriya wrote:Experience matters everything.There is a catagory called long term investers.I think they have earned a lot from the fundamentals.Hot blooded people can not understand the value of long term investment.I feel so sorry for them.They can not understand the main reason for their loss.It is because the stupid following of those speculative counters.

Could you name 3 so called fundamentals that are higher than the value they had on 2011 Jan?
Or, atleaset 3 fundamentals that has NOT DROPPED MORE THAN 20% ?


9Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 4:14 pm

mark

mark
Expert
Expert

thighrokker wrote:
rijayasooriya wrote:Experience matters everything.There is a catagory called long term investers.I think they have earned a lot from the fundamentals.Hot blooded people can not understand the value of long term investment.I feel so sorry for them.They can not understand the main reason for their loss.It is because the stupid following of those speculative counters.

Could you name 3 so called fundamentals that are higher than the value they had on 2011 Jan?
Or, atleaset 3 fundamentals that has NOT DROPPED MORE THAN 20% ?



except my CTC and CINS......ok Smile

10Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Empty Re: Five Value Traps to Avoid Right Now Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:43 pm

sriranga

sriranga
Co-Admin

mark wrote:
thighrokker wrote:
rijayasooriya wrote:Experience matters everything.There is a catagory called long term investers.I think they have earned a lot from the fundamentals.Hot blooded people can not understand the value of long term investment.I feel so sorry for them.They can not understand the main reason for their loss.It is because the stupid following of those speculative counters.

Could you name 3 so called fundamentals that are higher than the value they had on 2011 Jan?
Or, atleaset 3 fundamentals that has NOT DROPPED MORE THAN 20% ?



except my CTC and CINS......ok Smile

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