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Will CFVF declare a dividend this time?

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1Will CFVF declare a dividend this time? Empty Will CFVF declare a dividend this time? Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:45 pm

seek


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
9 moths EPS ended at 31.12.2012 is 1.84.

By 2012.12.31,
Unrealized gain from dealing securities is 42.4 Mn (Market Value 11,789.5 Mn, Cost 11,747.1 Mn).
Unrealized gain of 19.9% stake in Orient Finance PLC is 302.7 Mn (Market Value 393.1 Mn, Cost 90.4 Mn).
Unrealized gain of investments in Treasure Bonds is 161.2 Mn (Market Value 1,198.6 Mn, Cost 1,037.4 Mn).

It is interesting to see how the market value of their investments is changed with fluctuations of interest rates in the market and at the end the capital gain that CFVF going to realize.

greedy007


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@seek wrote:9 moths EPS ended at 31.12.2012 is 1.84.

By 2012.12.31,
Unrealized gain from dealing securities is 42.4 Mn (Market Value 11,789.5 Mn, Cost 11,747.1 Mn).
Unrealized gain of 19.9% stake in Orient Finance PLC is 302.7 Mn (Market Value 393.1 Mn, Cost 90.4 Mn).
Unrealized gain of investments in Treasure Bonds is 161.2 Mn (Market Value 1,198.6 Mn, Cost 1,037.4 Mn).

It is interesting to see how the market value of their investments is changed with fluctuations of interest rates in the market and at the end the capital gain that CFVF going to realize.

They all have Unrealized Gain in papers.

CFVF dont have cashflow to pay dividend...

Will CFVF declare a dividend this time? Cfvf10

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@greedy007 wrote:
@seek wrote:9 moths EPS ended at 31.12.2012 is 1.84.

By 2012.12.31,
Unrealized gain from dealing securities is 42.4 Mn (Market Value 11,789.5 Mn, Cost 11,747.1 Mn).
Unrealized gain of 19.9% stake in Orient Finance PLC is 302.7 Mn (Market Value 393.1 Mn, Cost 90.4 Mn).
Unrealized gain of investments in Treasure Bonds is 161.2 Mn (Market Value 1,198.6 Mn, Cost 1,037.4 Mn).

It is interesting to see how the market value of their investments is changed with fluctuations of interest rates in the market and at the end the capital gain that CFVF going to realize.

They all have Unrealized Gain in papers.

CFVF dont have cashflow to pay dividend...

Will CFVF declare a dividend this time? Cfvf10

Unrealized gains mentioned in the notes to the accounts.
In their business, Cashflow can be derived anytime (in between quarters) by just realizing some of the gains if possible (if in the money or profit) by selling some of the dealing securities or investments in treasury bonds.

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
At least its better than ACAP or now known as ACRAP!

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
As your wording shows some negativity on CFVF ( "atleast better") , can you explain the issues you see with CFVF at this level?

@rainmaker wrote:At least its better than ACAP or now known as ACRAP!

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Nothing wrong with CFVF

taniya1111


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Doesn't matter whether CFVF would declare a dividend or not, It is really valuable at this price

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@taniya1111 wrote:Doesn't matter whether CFVF would declare a dividend or not, It is really valuable at this price

I don't think so. It's a shadow of its former self

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
Only at the moment. Whether it can repeat what it did before remains in how the management plays the cards in the future.


@rainmaker wrote:
I don't think so. It's a shadow of its former self

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Dinesh is a fickle character. This is the reason why these sorts of firms should be held privately. You never know when the market will get tough.

seek


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
An upward trend in equity market and a downward trend in interest rates are ideal business environment for CFVF. When looking at figures they are still in the accumulating phase of equities and bonds rather than in harvesting their previous investments.

Other than, outright purchase/sale of Treasury Bills and Treasury Bonds, CFVF is actively involving in Margin Trading and Debit Exchange trading in addition to regular co-operate finance and assets management services that they provide.

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