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rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Now how did I get caught into this. Everyone here knows where the source of the promotion is..... 

Sometimes they will be correct because they execute a few deals ..... In other times they are dreaming

rainmaker


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Very Happy @Alchemist I also know a bit about sutta translation. Ill write more when I get time

Backstage


Moderator
Moderator
He he , Rain what I meant was not to provoke Slstock. I am going to stop jabbering now or I might end up in the 1000 posts club. I am a family man and my club days are over.jocolor

Rajitha


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Funny Part of this topic is, Most of the cunning  stock promoters from my experience are the Big shots in this forum and admins/moderators
 
 If you are a new comer please don't take any advice from this forum even if you might think at first they are great. Specially don't listen to the lot saying these shares are even more attractive now; you can buy fundamentally good shares at any price or where ever th market at. You will end up getting your hands burned!

Chinwi


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Forum Promoters , Demoters .... ..... ...


ඇයි  ලේබල් කාරයෝ , සීල් ගහන්නෝ ?

 කිසිම share එකක් කලින් identify නොකර , කිසිම වැදගත් හින්ට් එකක් නොදී, නැග්ගට බැස්සට පස්සේ පණ්ඩිත වාක්‍ය කියමින්   අනුන්ගේ කොමෙන්ට් බල බල අනුන්ට ලේබල්  අලවල, සීල් ගහල  කාඩ් බෝඩ් වීරයෝ වෙන්න බලාගෙන ඉන්න සෙට් එක .

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
@Rajitha wrote:Funny Part of this topic is, Most of the cunning  stock promoters from my experience are the Big shots in this forum and admins/moderators
 
 If you are a new comer please don't take any advice from this forum even if you might think at first they are great. Specially don't listen to the lot saying these shares are even more attractive now; you can buy fundamentally good shares at any price or where ever th market at. You will end up getting your hands burned!

Could you please elaborate the meaning of 'big shots in the forum'? Some of us can still recollect the plantation stocks discussions in the past.

KDDND

KDDND
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Chinwi wrote:Forum Promoters , Demoters .... ..... ...


ඇයි  ලේබල් කාරයෝ , සීල් ගහන්නෝ ?

 කිසිම share එකක් කලින් identify නොකර , කිසිම වැදගත් හින්ට් එකක් නොදී, නැග්ගට බැස්සට පස්සේ පණ්ඩිත වාක්‍ය කියමින්   අනුන්ගේ කොමෙන්ට් බල බල අනුන්ට ලේබල්  අලවල, සීල් ගහල  කාඩ් බෝඩ් වීරයෝ වෙන්න බලාගෙන ඉන්න සෙට් එක .


seems like this statement ...like.... SHORT and SWEET! Cool

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Rajitha wrote:Funny Part of this topic is, Most of the cunning  stock promoters from my experience are the Big shots in this forum and admins/moderators
 
 If you are a new comer please don't take any advice from this forum even if you might think at first they are great. Specially don't listen to the lot saying these shares are even more attractive now; you can buy fundamentally good shares at any price or where ever th market at. You will end up getting your hands burned!

Now here's the Proof that evolution CAN go in reverse....

Are you always this stupid or only being yourself in this forum?

What's wrong dude, aren't u gettin' any attention back home?

We respect lecturers but Ur a disgrace to the breed..

If u have any stocks, you can tell the forum members the time you're unloading.. So all of us can help u by buying.. Razz

seek


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Chinwi wrote:Forum Promoters , Demoters .... ..... ...


ඇයි  ලේබල් කාරයෝ , සීල් ගහන්නෝ ?

 කිසිම share එකක් කලින් identify නොකර , කිසිම වැදගත් හින්ට් එකක් නොදී, නැග්ගට බැස්සට පස්සේ පණ්ඩිත වාක්‍ය කියමින්   අනුන්ගේ කොමෙන්ට් බල බල අනුන්ට ලේබල්  අලවල, සීල් ගහල  කාඩ් බෝඩ් වීරයෝ වෙන්න බලාගෙන ඉන්න සෙට් එක .


This is the worst set imo

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
Wow, what a helpful reply and a contribution to the discussion coming from a person who never promoted anything and helped the forum so much . thank you .

The deep seated "kindness" to forum Seniors is so enriching . No wonder why all this kindness to seniors is extended coming from a person who never diverted forum topics, was so polite , never picked fights, had no ego , never wasted others time , and was so helpful to new comers with generous share discussions . You never had trouble with anybody in the forum and you never dissapeared for months. That why 10s of old member will fondly remember you.

Speacially as you never appeared after a market run to tell us you sold such generosity should not be forgotten.

Please forgive us if we failed to admire you enough and give you your due recognition.
Actually we did , if you look closely. You are fondly remembered and already " recognize " in this topic itself by several parties. You are a hero.


Side note to protect the new comers:

According to you as most of Admins/Mods are promoters we must be running a racket here. Maybe the posts Admins/ mods promoted can be exposed in open so new comers know how bad we are?? Then maybe your sweet history and greatness will also come to discussion.

According to you we should not do any analysis or comment on any share during 2011 , 2012 and 2013 . As you were always with the forum to help , give analysis , tell us what to buy at what price, maybe the whole Admin/Mod team can quit. Thanks for taking such responsibilty. What a relief.



@Rajitha wrote:Funny Part of this topic is, Most of the cunning  stock promoters from my experience are the Big shots in this forum and admins/moderators
 
 If you are a new comer please don't take any advice from this forum even if you might think at first they are great. Specially don't listen to the lot saying these shares are even more attractive now; you can buy fundamentally good shares at any price or where ever th market at. You will end up getting your hands burned!

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
I  know lot of senior people here know the history  behind  "certain " people at the forum who play indirect games.  But they don't  want reply to posts   to  protect the forum/defend injustice as they

a) don;t want to waste their time
b) are afraid to post as they will be the next target from such mudslinging people


Lot of people do not understand people power/ pressure is the key to eradicate injustice/thugs/,maniacs/ corruption . This is true even at country level.

Mods  and Seniors

I think it is time to stand up before  more  good people will leave the forum and "uncouth" people play their games .

 Only few fight for injustice . I am a bit dissapointed in this regard, Think it is your duty to stand up for the right before unbiased people leave in disgust


If some people will think we are talking too much on this topic.

Understand who will want to genuinely volunteer time  here to share good info , helps a new comer or give insight  when  uncouth people play games to mudsling, insult or indirectly promote/demote  in subtle ways

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:I  know lot of senior people here know the history  behind  "certain " people at the forum who play indirect games.  But they don't  want reply to posts   to  protect the forum/defend injustice as they

a) don;t want to waste their time
b) are afraid to post as they will be the next target from such mudslinging people


Lot of people do not understand people power/ pressure is the key to eradicate injustice/thugs/,maniacs/ corruption . This is true even at country level.

Mods  and Seniors

I think it is time to stand up before  more  good people will leave the forum and "uncouth" people play their games .

 Only few fight for injustice .  I am a bit dissapointed in  this regard,  Think it is your duty to stand up for the right before unbiased people  leave in disgust


If some people will think we are talking too much on this topic.

Understand   who will want to genuinely volunteer time  here to share good info , helps a new comer or give insight  when  uncouth people play games to mudsling, insult or indirectly promote/demote   in  subtle ways

I asked the same question to my uncle, who is a regular contributor to this forum, his answer was very simple.

" Dog tail can't be straightened and why we need to poke again and again at the barking stray dog"
Left to you all.

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@ slstock,

Yes I feel why I waste my time here.

I think enough is enough.

Instead of studying, analyzing and taking decisions on shares we are doing that to the virtual people and waste our time with the comments made  intentionally to deviate our attention from the main course.

Before some elements change the entire course of this forum and hijack our time and energy with useless arguments , the decision  should be taken to kill them at the instance we detect such comments.

Admins have to decide and advice which sort of threads are useless or do no good for the users of this forum, considering this new development.

Then we can just kill those threads without any regret, saving valuable time of all the good members.


Note: Sometimes I may be not available most of the daytime after September due to other engagements.

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
Yes Chinwi.

We all accept constructive criticism and a smart discussion. But after 1000s of hours dedicated here no (senior) member which a genuine dedication will want to be attacked by these uncouth mudslinging, hijacking mental patients who like to show their superiority and carry deep seated personal vengeance in their hearts.

Do me/us a favor. You are a Moderator and a valuable senior member. You know the history of such people.

Please take action or comment when necessary for such people ( for those you know the history).


@Chinwi wrote:@ slstock,

Yes I feel why I waste my time here.

I think enough is enough.

Instead of studying, analyzing and taking decisions on shares we are doing that to the virtual people and waste our time with the comments made  intentionally to deviate our attention from the main course.

Before some elements change the entire course of this forum and hijack our time and energy with useless arguments , the decision  should be taken to kill them at the instance we detect such comments.

Admins have to decide and advice which sort of threads are useless or do no good for the users of this forum, considering this new development.

Then we can just kill those threads without any regret, saving valuable time of all the good members.


Note: Sometimes I may be not available most of the daytime after September due to other engagements.

LSE

LSE
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:

Mods  and Seniors

I think it is time to stand up before  more  good people will leave the forum and "uncouth" people play their games .

 Only few fight for injustice .  I am a bit dissapointed in  this regard,  Think it is your duty to stand up for the right before unbiased people  leave in disgust


Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
What if the barking dog comes to bite you when you have not perturbed it ?

Unless  the attacks happen to your personally   lot of people choose to keep silent.

This is an issue with not only the forum but the Country.



@Redbulls wrote:
@slstock wrote:I  know lot of senior people here know the history  behind  "certain " people at the forum who play indirect games.  But they don't  want reply to posts   to  protect the forum/defend injustice as they

a) don;t want to waste their time
b) are afraid to post as they will be the next target from such mudslinging people


Lot of people do not understand people power/ pressure is the key to eradicate injustice/thugs/,maniacs/ corruption . This is true even at country level.

Mods  and Seniors

I think it is time to stand up before  more  good people will leave the forum and "uncouth" people play their games .

 Only few fight for injustice .  I am a bit dissapointed in  this regard,  Think it is your duty to stand up for the right before unbiased people  leave in disgust


If some people will think we are talking too much on this topic.

Understand   who will want to genuinely volunteer time  here to share good info , helps a new comer or give insight  when  uncouth people play games to mudsling, insult or indirectly promote/demote   in  subtle ways

I asked the same question to my uncle, who is a regular contributor to this forum, his answer was very simple.

" Dog tail can't be straightened and why we need to poke again and again at the barking stray dog"
Left to you all.

sriranga

sriranga
Co-Admin
@slstock wrote:What if the barking  dog comes to bite you when you have not perturbed it ?

Unless  the attacks happen to your personally   lot of people choose to keep silent.

This is an issue with not only the forum but the Country.



@Redbulls wrote:
@slstock wrote:I  know lot of senior people here know the history  behind  "certain " people at the forum who play indirect games.  But they don't  want reply to posts   to  protect the forum/defend injustice as they

a) don;t want to waste their time
b) are afraid to post as they will be the next target from such mudslinging people


Lot of people do not understand people power/ pressure is the key to eradicate injustice/thugs/,maniacs/ corruption . This is true even at country level.

Mods  and Seniors

I think it is time to stand up before  more  good people will leave the forum and "uncouth" people play their games .

 Only few fight for injustice .  I am a bit dissapointed in  this regard,  Think it is your duty to stand up for the right before unbiased people  leave in disgust


If some people will think we are talking too much on this topic.

Understand   who will want to genuinely volunteer time  here to share good info , helps a new comer or give insight  when  uncouth people play games to mudsling, insult or indirectly promote/demote   in  subtle ways

I asked the same question to my uncle, who is a regular contributor to this forum, his answer was very simple.

" Dog tail can't be straightened and why we need to poke again and again at the barking stray dog"
Left to you all.

I totally agree with you, please refer my PM.

http://sharemarket-srilanka.blogspot.co.uk/

K.Haputantri

K.Haputantri
Co-Admin
Good post Slstock. Couldnt read until today as I was out for some time.

balapas


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
I suggest Admins check the chat section of the forum. During trading hours there are few who come and promote absolute nonsense. This section goes unnoticed and kind of difficult to monitor. I guess the brokers are the ones who are doing this.

DocStock


Stock Trader
@Slstock wrote:New comers ,


Below is some ideas of how to identify shady people   in this forum( who is not posting due to their kindness to educate or make you win )



A) It is noticed  the real promoters (  people who want to  increase price to unload their shares maybe to you)

1) usually   open   new topics every few days for the Same share
2) use catchy post tiles  and gimmicks like Take over possible, massive dividend coming,  large buy will be coming at  Rs xxx ,
    I will buy 100000 shares at Rs x  
3) no real discussions and write only a few  words  in each post  ( does not  take time explain in detail why )  
4) when they  explain  ( yes there are advanced promoters) , the points are  not logical  or based on facts ( it is some fairy tale   to catch your attention )
5) usually starts talking when the share has increased over 20-40% ( that when they buy so they want to share to go up further to sell)  




B) Share Demoters ( so they can panic you to make you sell so they can buy cheaper)

1) can target fundamentally valuable shares or their pet speculative shares to bring down the price to collect
2) make illogical stories  to make you panic
3) reverse ideas of  items 2) and 5) above



C) Some times there are promoters and demoters ( 2 in 1 people) :

They will do thing to increase price and after they sell they will do things to bring it down again so they can collect again



D) There are also smart asses who show up to the forum every 3 or 6 months picking the right time to... ( fill in the blanks )
  Also there are people who make multiple account to spread their game ( if you read carefully  over time you can identify them and their avatars)




What you should do before you get caught to such a promoter/demoters/shady people


1) goto  http://forum.srilankaequity.com/sta/memberid

Replace memberid with the actual one

ex: http://forum.srilankaequity.com/sta/slstock

will  show all past posts ( mine in this case)


2) carefully read their past posts  and check

  a) the tactics they used as mentioned above ( use you common sense)
  b) how consistent they are with what they say  ( they often lie abd change ideas)
  b) how  senior members replied ( hint it is  promtion maybe given






Also note :

E)  Sometimee the hardest people to figure out are the people who talk smart and show their achievemtns.  
   Make sure to read their past history to see how much  contribution or share analysis they have done to the forum.
   
F) There is a differecne  between an analysis  of a share XXXX which is trading at PE of 5 before it runs vs
   talking about PCH at Rs 4  saying it will hit Rs 10 after it already increased 30% from Rs 3 ( with little fundamental)


G) It is noticed this forum is full of people who only believe in short term  profit/  tradering and they  will  ridicule the power of Long term
  investment.  Such people panic more at share corrections.  (search the forum and  there are post that prove  the power of long term investment )

 So know the difference between short term trading vs long term investment
 
 
G)  Timing :  Usually  timing is related when to enter and exit a share
 ex : judging the bottom before a run and  exit at the top is optimal timing ( it is very hard to do) .


But timing also can be

  If  one genuinely  tried to warn people about PCH future (based on fundamentals)  when it was running from Rs 20-30, at that time   that person would have been shot down  by many.

( When i warned about CIFL at Rs 9  and CSF Warrants at  Rs 1.X  to new  comers some did  not liked it it was a conflict in their interest)

 But now if you talk about PCH and CIFL  more people will believe  as many got burnt and the company is not performing well.


 That is also  kind of timing attributed to genuine people who try to educate new comers. Try to identify  who they are.

 




More reading :

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t27907-asi-will-hit-8000-buy-cxxx-txxx






To All those who inquired about my short term absence :


Many thanks . Glad to know there are a few people who cared.  

Please note in the future I might not be active  as I  have been in the past.




All the best.

SLS

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