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21Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:31 pm

Slstock


Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
First stage of solid development of a country is to have a good transport network.

22Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:37 pm

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Why the govt do not make same effort in respect of improvement of rule of law
in this country

See Hambatota P.S member case and statement made by British M.P

If this govt give proper attention to improve Rule of Law this may be the BEST GOVT IN SRI LANKA

23Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:50 pm

Kithsiri


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.
Time is money and I agree to some extent but at what cost ? confused 

24Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:52 pm

econ


Global Moderator
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.

yes but sl should start good railway system first before going for luxury highways for small country like sl.
We have railway system built by the british 100 years ago. no improvement at all.

25Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:46 am

KDDND


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Kithsiri wrote:
@KDDND wrote:As per my point of view.....
I am supporting building of high way network....
I see good benefits to people who will use it and who will not use other roads....
it saving...time, increase the durability of vehicles, save fuel, increase use of time, increase productivity of professionals and leaders....,
my concern are how well do they build it.... how well they well they will maintain the entries and exit of these high ways... specially in and around Colombo area...
if this network will not be like another NORRECHCHOLE..... in rate of commission and level of performances/operations
this proposal will be big step for the country...
happy to wait HAPPILY!!! Cool 
Show me the increase in the productivity, reduction in the prices of the goods and Employment creation and then I will agree with you on this (wasteful) extravagant legacy making projects.

@kithsiri

I meant here professionals and leaders .....
there are mostly individual level benefits when compared to institutional level benefits.....
there are mostly institutional level when compared to country level benefits.......
[i have talked some genuine & fair contributors who used southern high way...... that what they say.... ]


I would agree with you...... TOTALLY...
the most important highway of the country was not the one THE BRAINS OF THIS GOVERNMENT SELECTED & BUILT FIRST...!!!! [southern high way was LESS important when compared to... KANDY, KURUNEGALA & KATUNAYAKE - not in order]

kind of a selfish decision - southern high way.......[ but i reasonably agreed that all most all the government ignored the development of the southern part of the country, so now it may be like - kala dutu kala wala iha ganima wani wadak by this........ so can't balme much... ]

But sincerely and highly believe that once the KANDY, KURUNEGALA, KATUNAYAKE, COLOMBO BY PASS high ways break the most of the trafic limitation - thus give very good opportunities for the GENUINE BUSINESSMEN, PROFESSIONALS, LEADERS to perform well during their best time of short life so the country and mass will benefits it well.

my most concern if HOW THE EXIT and ENTERY point of these highways will manage the trafic...... if this FAIL... almost all benefits expected will be LOSE!

The level of benefit I expected from highways surely will be increase day by day....month by month... year by year...decade by decade.....
so I support this highway network building project but..... I HAVE only 30-60% trusts on effectiveness of building process.....this is PURELY DUE TO POLITICAL MALFUNCTIONING of the KINITHULLO type POLITICIAN of the THIS COUNTRY....no matter who was in..... is in... will be in.... POWER of this country...!!!

Ooops.... to extreme da...am I? ehemama nahe neda???
Smile
GL!

26Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:56 am

malanp


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.

The first stage of solid development is a good rule of law. that is deteriorating on daily basis in sri lanka. Good road network gives a consolation, but we can not reap the full benefits since investors are not willing to invest.

foreign investors had to find justice through their embasies - in Daraniyagala case it is US embassy asking for the justice.

27Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:40 am

slrkman


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Warnings to businesses around the Kandy Road!!

What happened now to Sinharaja ,Monis etc. which are in Galle road? The same thing will be happened to merchants around the present Kandy road.

Any1 know when will this project start and finish?

28Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:55 am

Kithsiri

Kithsiri
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
When I changed my residence a few years back, I started exploring the new place; driving around on narrow back roads to see where they would go and how long it would take.
Then I realized that we have a wonderful network of tarred but narrow and poorly maintained back roads like veins in your body connecting to main arteries at strategic points.
I do not think most of them need no more widening but regular and good maintenance is all what is needed to keep the flow of the traffic smooth and not getting stuck.
Same can be said about the Rail network.
Little bit of an extension and regular and proper maintenance are all what we need here and not just more concrete serpents capable only of swallowing money and environment.
Read the success story of Curitiba in Brazil. Very Happy 
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/fellows/brazil1203/
We need visionaries to represent us and not hell-bent on legacy making megalomaniacs. Shocked 

29Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:51 pm

Jana1


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.

That is fundamentally sound good.

But if u dig your head more deeper into the SL road network, this is absolutely bleak investment which could probably jeopardize economy in da long run. After 30 years of toll period that road should be maintained by government in addition to existing A9 highway. Due to toll return china could make positive cash flow for their investment. Check road density of developed countries. (km length road per 100 km2 of land area)

Sri Lanka-174
UK-172
Canada-10
Australia-9
Us-60
Norway-29
NZ-35

We are almost beyond our capacity and think about the maintenance cost...It doesn't make any sense na??

30Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:53 pm

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.

People did not get the main point here.


In economic terms time is money. Development goes hand in hand with...... ?


Think :
Can a tourist or for business purposes really afford to spend 3 hours to travel 72 miles ( for example) by rail or road? Maybe there are many different paths or means to get from A to B but are they efficient ?


Now , how the network is built is not analyzed in the above statement but only the need is mentioned. Ofcourse the network should be built via efficient and sustainable methods. Whether the Govn is doing that is another matter .


Side note :
Though we can criticize the british for certain issues, we should atleast thank them for a road networks which we used for over a century. We need to now adjust with 21st century if we need to push for development. It will be not be easy with many inefficiencies from top of bottom.

But we need to start somewhere.



31Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:26 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@slstock wrote:
@slstock wrote:First stage of  solid development of a country  is to have a good transport network.

People did not get the main point here.  


In economic terms time is money. Development goes hand in hand with...... ?


Think :
Can  a tourist or for business  purposes  really afford  to spend 3 hours to travel 72 miles ( for example)   by rail or road? Maybe there are many different paths or means  to get from A to B but are they  efficient  ?


Now , how the network is built is not analyzed in the above statement but only the need  is mentioned. Ofcourse the network should be built via efficient and sustainable methods. Whether the Govn is doing that is another matter .


Side note  :
Though we can criticize the british for certain issues,   we should atleast thank them for  a road networks which we used for over a  century.  We need to now adjust with 21st century  if we need to push for development. It will be not be easy with many inefficiencies from top of bottom.

But we need to start somewhere.




ඔවු . මිට වසර 2 කට පෙර ඩුබායි පදිංචි සිරියන් ආයෝජකයෙක් ආව මාතර කැකනදුර ව්‍යාපෘතියකට ආයෝජන කරන්න.

ඔහුට ඩුබායි ගෙදරින් පිටත්ව ගුවන්යානයේ නැග ලංකාවට ගොඩ බාන්න ගිය වෙලාව මෙන් දෙගුණයක් පමණ ගිහිල්ල අපේ එයාපෝට් එකෙන් එලියට ඇවිත් අදාළ තැනට කි.මි සිය ගාන යන්න.
ඒ රටේ ඔහුට පුරුදු වෙලා තිබුනේ එවැනි දුරක් යන්න පැය 1 1/2 වගේ ගත කරන්න.
ඒ මනසින් කාලය ගණන් හදා ගෙන හිටි ඔහු කරකවල අත් ඇරිය වගේ ඉඳල යන්න ගියා .

32Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:32 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Jana1 wrote:

That is fundamentally sound good.

But if u dig your head more deeper into the SL road network, this is absolutely bleak investment which could probably jeopardize economy in da long run. After 30 years of toll period that road should be maintained by government in addition to existing A9 highway. Due to toll return china could make positive cash flow for their investment. Check road density of developed countries. (km length road per 100 km2 of land area)

Sri Lanka-174
UK-172
Canada-10
Australia-9
Us-60
Norway-29
NZ-35

We are almost beyond our capacity and think about the maintenance cost...It doesn't make any sense na??

Your point is valid and understood.

For comparison, I think we have to see the size of the country also. Because in bigger countries they have huge unattended lands and farm lands.

If you see the developed countries closer to our size,

Denmark - 172
Nederlands - 330
Switzerland - 173
Belgium - 504

and if you see smaller Singapore - 475

33Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:20 pm

Jana1


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Chinwi wrote:
@Jana1 wrote:

That is fundamentally sound good.

But if u dig your head more deeper into the SL road network, this is absolutely bleak investment which could probably jeopardize economy in da long run. After 30 years of toll period that road should be maintained by government in addition to existing A9 highway. Due to toll return china could make positive cash flow for their investment. Check road density of developed countries. (km length road per 100 km2 of land area)

Sri Lanka-174
UK-172
Canada-10
Australia-9
Us-60
Norway-29
NZ-35

We are almost beyond our capacity and think about the maintenance cost...It doesn't make any sense na??

Your point is valid and understood.

For comparison,  I think we have to see the size of the country also.  Because in bigger countries they have huge unattended lands and farm lands.

If you see the developed countries closer to our size,

Denmark - 172
Nederlands - 330
Switzerland - 173
Belgium - 504

and if you see smaller Singapore - 475

Singapore cannot be compared. Singapore population is 7315 people/km2 whilst SL 323 people/km2. Which is 20 times higher than, so if we compare with SL road density Singapore road density must be 20 times higher..

34Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:05 pm

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
It appears that people even in this forum worried only about Development

Not on RULE OF LAW

What to do ?

How can we expect genuine investors and smoothly functioning Stock Market

" PEOPLE GET THE GOVT THEY DESERVE"

"PRETHAYAGE HETIYAYATA THAMAY VIMANE " Famous Sinhalese saying
among rural elite in Sri Lanka



Last edited by D.G.Dayaratne on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:13 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : to explain more)

35Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:29 am

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
DG

"Neethiya" sambanda dewal gana apith kalakeeri atha. We forum eke ewa gena wadiyen katha karanna giyoth liku deshapalana viwada/ prashna athiwenanta puluwan.

Ape rate Neethiya saha boho denage prathipaththi garuka bawaya gane mama paudgalikawa santhosa natha.
I try to tackle it at grass root levels and intermediate levels when I see an opportunity ( when I can) and also educate the younger people for we can hope for a better future. Me prashnaya dina keepayakin wisadiya nohaka.

Samahara welawata , pitiratin ena balawega hondai abiyanthara uththajakayak widiyata . Ethokota "samaharu" tikak ho wadiyen parisam wei kiyala hithenawa.



quote="D.G.Dayaratne"]It appears that people even in this forum worried only about Development

Not on RULE OF LAW

What to do ?

How can we expect genuine investors and smoothly functioning Stock Market

" PEOPLE GET THE GOVT THEY DESERVE"

"PRETHAYAGE HETIYAYATA  THAMAY VIMANE " Famous Sinhalese  saying
among rural elite in Sri Lanka[/quote]

36Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:51 pm

D.G.Dayaratne


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
I think we are compelled to take up this matter up seriously now

Not only development . rule of law and good economic management
are very essential for smoothly functioning stock market

Under this govt stock market has gone to dogs

This forum should  strongly criticize and guide  the govt

otherwise all of us inducing the govt will be trouble very soon already the crisis has started  

you can see symptoms now



Last edited by D.G.Dayaratne on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:15 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : typing error)

37Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:18 pm

Arena


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
He he who is the alternative............................lol

I strongly believe Rule of low will come second. Number one will be a good economy for the country. A good education. Then only the rule of low comes.

Dont compare Sri Lanka with UK and USA. We have more years to do it. Build some thing. A good brand or a business and give employments to others. Start to earn foreign money and help the economy and your self....................................

Dont wast your time voting to others in the election where you dont have the control. One day ask votes from others.

95% people are crazy and no plane to achieve in their lives. So be the 5% and lead the others.

This is the way to make this country a better place.

38Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:00 am

celtic tiger


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lots of people very critical about govern.. spending on road development .
according to recent world bank report-network vehicle operating cost has come down from Rs 24 in 2005 to Rs 14 in 2012
If it is true,isn't it a great investment???

39Biggest single investment ever - Page 2 Empty Re: Biggest single investment ever Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:53 am

Fresher


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@celtic tiger wrote:lots of people very critical about govern.. spending on road development .
according to recent world bank report-network vehicle operating cost has come down from Rs 24 in 2005 to Rs 14 in 2012
If it is true,isn't it a great investment???

like someone mentioned, I think the focus should first be on developing existing roads. The expressways are important given that they are managed properly and generate returns in the long run.

As for the other roads, I would say develop the existing ones first.

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