Next a Crash or a Bull Run

dudi · 1 Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:27 am

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Hi members,would like to know about your views.some are of the view that market will crash again.some predict an imminent bull run

rainmaker · 2 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:23 pm

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Big crash .... banks to release results on gold market value adjustments... not yet though Wink

dudi · 3 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:40 pm

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rainmaker,very scarey.when do u think market will crash?

smallville · 4 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 1:53 pm

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Govt stepped in for the Gold crisis so they will apply more and more taxes till the case resolved. Many reputed places, I think know that Gold is a gamble too.. So results may be a bit shaky but I dont think its the end of banks Smile

malanp · 5 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:31 pm

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Value adjustment is not necessary right now since gold is a collateral, and off balance sheet item.

they can make the provision on non performing loans basis.

and gold is slowly going up, now $1280. most of loans were given when gold price was around 1500-1600 range, so 20% decrease in value will not affect that much.

other two favourable factors for banks are 10% tax on gold and exchange rate gone up to 130 from 126 thereby value of gold reserve gone up by 3%.

so altogether 13% loss coverage.

celtic tiger · 6 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:04 pm

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@dudi wrote:rainmaker,very scarey.when do u think market will crash?

Do you really think that he can give you a strait answer ?

Antonym · 7 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:09 pm

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@dudi wrote:Hi members,would like to know about your views.some are of the view that market will crash again.some predict an imminent bull run

The overall market is trading at 12.06 times projected earnings, which (in my view) is only slightly above its fair value. Therefore, I do not expect either a crash or a bull run.
Having said that, certain shares have the potential to significantly outperform the market.

dudi · 8 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:11 pm

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antonym,what are those shares that you think can out perform the others?

dudi · 9 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:44 pm

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antonym,tell some thing friend

Antonym · 10 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:42 pm

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@dudi wrote:antonym,what are those shares that you think can out perform the others?

@dudi: I have a couple of favorites, but will refrain from mentioning them here because 'one man's food may be another man's poison'. (Sorry to disappoint you.)
Instead, let me draw your attention to Warren Buffett's stock picking approach, which I try to imitate...

Buffett’s Philosophy and style
Investment in stocks is based on their intrinsic value, where value is measured by the ability to generate earnings and dividends over the years. Buffett targets successful businesses - those with expanding intrinsic values, which he seeks to buy at a price that makes economic sense, defined as earning an annual rate of return of at least 15% for at least five or ten years... The company should have been in existence for a considerable period of time.

Criteria for Initial Consideration
He prefers companies that are in businesses that are relatively easy to understand and analyze, and that have the ability to adjust their prices for inflation.

Other Factors
A strong upward trend in earnings
Conservative financing
A consistently high return on shareholder’s equity
A high level of retained earnings
Low level of spending needed to maintain current operations
Profitable use of retained earnings

There are some companies on the CSE that fulfil many of these criteria. The key is to find them, buy them - and hold them till they are discovered by the market.

hunter · 11 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:56 pm

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I do not see any signs of a crash; neither any signs of a big bull run.
So it will be worse!!

dudi · 12 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:44 pm

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antonym thanks for your insight.sadly,Buffett's philosophy and style don't work with the stocks that are in the CSE although it should have been the case.you know this is wonderland

Antonym · 13 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:45 pm

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@dudi wrote:antonym thanks for your insight.sadly,Buffett's philosophy and style don't work with the stocks that are in the CSE although it should have been the case.you know this is wonderland

Even in this 'wonderland' that is the CSE, investors need to have a stock selection strategy - and Buffett's approach seems sensible: buy a business if it is available at a significant discount to its value.

In the absence of such an approach, we would be like this...
Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?
The Cheshire Cat: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to.
Alice: I don't much care where.
The Cheshire Cat: Then it doesn't much matter which way you go.
― Alice in Wonderland

KDDND · 14 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:31 am

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Lets don't be panic......

Simply stay cool for another 3-4 weeks.....
Before August end... or mid September surely you will see the sign of where it heading to.....

In my guess its a UP turn....but by that time or close to that time

but it take it time to decide the correct time....foe then move...
until that time what ever the turn may appear...it will turn back to almost to the normal/previous position....

no theories..... just based on my observations during the last 1 year.....!!!
GL!

kukumarx · 15 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:59 am

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At the moment the picture is not clear cut and there is a lot of volatility. Therefore the market is very difficult to predict.

Lets look at the recent past.

November/December 2012. Market at 5300 Interest rates were at their highest. In the budget MR had announces tax exemptions for govt bonds. Anyone would think that the picture for the market was bleak. Then Govt announces interest rate cuts ( probably with an eye on elections). This was against IMF recommendations which govt had followed up to then. Market took off to 6000+ levels.

Recently every thing was looking good. Interest rates had moved down, inflation was under control. Then Ben Bernanke makes an announcement that the fed may ease stimulus. Foreigners pull out of bonds and out of the market. Pressure on the SLRupee. Market starts crashing.

This illustrates how difficult and volatile the scenario is. Too many unpredictable variables.

The only prediction one can make is that unpredictable things will happen with predictable regularity. Smile

Redbulls · 16 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:41 pm

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@kukumarx wrote: Foreigners pull out of bonds and out of the market. Pressure on the SLRupee. Market starts crashing.

Same thing in India.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/fii-activity/fiis-pull-out-3675-bnindian-capital-mktsjune_908685.html

wappula · 17 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:04 pm

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@kukumarx wrote:At the moment the picture is not clear cut and there is a lot of volatility. Therefore the market is very difficult to predict.

Lets look at the recent past.

November/December 2012. Market at 5300 Interest rates were at their highest. In the budget MR had announces tax exemptions for govt bonds. Anyone would think that the picture for the market was bleak. Then Govt announces interest rate cuts ( probably with an eye on elections). This was against IMF recommendations which govt had followed up to then. Market took off to 6000+ levels.

Recently every thing was looking good. Interest rates had moved down, inflation was under control. Then Ben Bernanke makes an announcement that the fed may ease stimulus. Foreigners pull out of bonds and out of the market. Pressure on the SLRupee. Market starts crashing.

This illustrates how difficult and volatile the scenario is. Too many unpredictable variables.

The only prediction one can make is that unpredictable things will happen with predictable regularity.

thank you kukumarks, good explanation...

bullrun · 18 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:10 pm

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But so far we show net purchases by foreigners. How do they decide to buy? Don't they consider theories or trend?

notme · 19 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:40 pm

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when the last significant downfall locals did get away the market .but how many bulk buying made by them at higher price later .no wonder if it happen again .

kukumarx · 20 Re: Next a Crash or a Bull Run Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:58 am

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@bullrun wrote:But so far we show net purchases by foreigners. How do they decide to buy? Don't they consider theories or trend?

I wish I knew!

Anyway the question as I understood it was for the short term.
Will the market move up or down (in the next few days, weeks or months.) My answer was from this perspective

In the long term (5 year horizon) I am bullish about the market and the country. And I am not alone. Look at the other people making huge bets on the country. JKH with its new project. Shangrila, Damro etc etc.

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