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Experts when will this stop?

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1Experts when will this stop? Empty Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:38 pm

sikka89


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
What are the reasons for this downfall and when will this stop?Whatever you buy today next day you are at loss.This is not normal,atleast a single share can't beat the market condition.Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

2Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:54 pm

samcader


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Remedy is to avoid purchases and sales of your shares till the market turns around

3Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:32 pm

salt

salt
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
It may sink below 5,000

Major factor is outlook of EM has changed. Flow is heading back to developed world after prospects becoming better

Moreover, internal worries continue to remain.... banking system is put on a strain by heavy commercial borrowing in USD terms... our international borrowing in both GOSL & banks has reached very high ( I don't say to unsustainable level, but alarmingly high)

4Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:26 pm

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

Will all this affect CSE if a few starts to push CSE after maybe some good news annoucement?


In answers, to Sikka89 question,.

I don;t know ASI target but hope it won't go below 5600. All I can say is market is too heavily discounted now ( except for few shares) .

Some share less than when ASI was 4700, but the same company NAV is more now.

@salt wrote:It may sink below 5,000

Major factor is outlook of EM has changed. Flow is heading back to developed world after prospects becoming better

Moreover, internal worries continue to remain....  banking system is put on a strain by heavy commercial borrowing in USD terms... our international borrowing in both GOSL &  banks has reached very high ( I don't say to unsustainable level, but alarmingly high)

5Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:32 pm

Market.Player

Market.Player
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
I also guess ASI 5000.
Because of,
1.JKH possible to down. Say Rs.160/- level. People will not pump to JKH . They will sell JKH. Due to possible down to 160 - 180. if so ASI will be 5000.
2.exchange rates. USD is going up.
3.global economy downtrend.
4.risk for oil price fluctuations.
5.finally inflations & commodity prices up trend.

6Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:39 pm

dhanurrox


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Some become bears when they have cash in hand,some for other agendas but as usual at a unsuspected moment turnaround will come and everything will look brighter.In bull runs and bear runs the expected high or low is usually not achieved.
Anyway JKH is a concern.

7Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:32 pm

mark

mark
Expert
Expert
hikiz Razz

8Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 7:40 pm

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@dhanurrox wrote:Some become bears when they have cash in hand,some for other agendas but as usual at a unsuspected moment turnaround will come and everything will look brighter.
You hit the nail on the head ! well said.

We can never be optimistic or positive about the market if we are in cash i.e. Fixed Income Instruments. The reverse in also true if we are fully invested in Equity ! It is basic human nature.
Look at India. Their currency has tumbled over 20 % this year, they say huge economic problems, record outflows etc but still Sensex is down only 5 % from 20,000 to 19,000.
Our ASPI is down 11 % since 1st June (this is even before the NEST / CTC saga)
One month ago, lots of people were singing the praises of JKH @ 260/270, (saying it will go to 300-400 levels, casino project etc etc), now everyone is worried it will fall to 160. same with LLUBS. we have seen that sentiment in the Colombo market can change suddenly an in extremes.  
lots of retailers have got burnt in speculatives like CIFL, TWOD & PC Group shares.
Manipulative traders & brokers must be engineering forced selling & margin calls with Index manipulation (odd lot strategy) to collect good shares at lower prices. Some Broker huts may be feeling the heat as well.

Even in the forum, scaremongers will try to drive maximum fear into the minds. after all, everyone likes stock to be cheap (so that they can buy).  

At the moment, Fear is ruling. Buffet's motto is be fearful when others are greedy (sell) and be greedy when others are fearful (buy).  

Ultimately, you must have a medium to long term view of the market and Invest / Trade without Margin or Credit. If you cannot stand the heat, its best to get out of the kitchen.

@dhanurrox wrote:but as usual at a unsuspected moment turnaround will come and everything will look brighter.

9Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:02 pm

hawklk


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
When I said the following about LLUB in one of my posts (2nd July).....

hawklk wrote:Current trend shows that it will not cross 350 in the near future, unless that there is a big force to push it. As of today it shows a decline path. Hey....but you never know tomorrow.

One member said the following

I dont know what kind of technicals you use but it shows that it will reach at least 330 - I reckon it'll go up by at least 10% unless the market moves down - we saw two foriegn funds moving in yesterday - LLUB is a favorite of foreign funds

10Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:15 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@samcader wrote:Remedy  is to  avoid  purchases  and  sales  of your  shares  till  the market  turns  around
then market will never turnaround

11Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:26 pm

malanp


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
LLUB, there will be a big crossing 240-250 level

one foreign fund is planning to exit and another trying to grab at lowest level, they will drive down the price as low as possible...

what is happening in the market is beyond the imagination of an ordinary investor.

12Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:50 am

wappula

wappula
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
when market capitalization below 2trilion;) 

also thank you very much to Alchemist I was very help full your valuable thought.

13Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:03 am

Hawk Eye

Hawk Eye
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Time to stop

14Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:43 am

lankanesan


Stock Trader
"You learn in this business … If you want a friend, get a dog." – Carl Icahn

15Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:47 am

ranferdi

ranferdi
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
The moment hungry big players get their stomach full of cheap shares this downtrend will stop.. The big players colluding with broker firms pinpoint shares, pressurize the ones holding on margin accounts by selling downward Triggering force selling,, this is a Crime, The Systems allow each and everybody to see who sells whether those are margin accounts or not so the trading system at broking houses itself helps those big players. It is nothing but a reason for a shame to be a small trader in CSE.

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16Experts when will this stop? Empty Re: Experts when will this stop? Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:04 pm

dhanurrox


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@The Alchemist wrote:
@dhanurrox wrote:Some become bears when they have cash in hand,some for other agendas but as usual at a unsuspected moment turnaround will come and everything will look brighter.
You hit the nail on the head ! well said.

We can never be optimistic or positive about the market if we are in cash i.e. Fixed Income Instruments. The reverse in also true if we are fully invested in Equity ! It is basic human nature.
Look at India. Their currency has tumbled over 20 % this year, they say huge economic problems, record outflows etc but still Sensex is down only 5 % from 20,000 to 19,000.
Our ASPI is down 11 % since 1st June (this is even before the NEST / CTC saga)
One month ago, lots of people were singing the praises of JKH @ 260/270, (saying it will go to 300-400 levels, casino project etc etc), now everyone is worried it will fall to 160. same with LLUBS. we have seen that sentiment in the Colombo market can change suddenly an in extremes.  
lots of retailers have got burnt in speculatives like CIFL, TWOD & PC Group shares.
Manipulative traders & brokers must be engineering forced selling & margin calls with Index manipulation (odd lot strategy) to collect good shares at lower prices. Some Broker huts may be feeling the heat as well.

Even in the forum, scaremongers will try to drive maximum fear into the minds. after all, everyone likes stock to be cheap (so that they can buy).  

At the moment, Fear is ruling. Buffet's motto is be fearful when others are greedy (sell) and be greedy when others are fearful (buy).  

Ultimately, you must have a medium to long term view of the market and Invest / Trade without Margin or Credit. If you cannot stand the heat, its best to get out of the kitchen.

@dhanurrox wrote:but as usual at a unsuspected moment turnaround will come and everything will look brighter.
Alchemist I guess you are on the winning side.cheers 

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