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FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » Amãna Bank goes for IPO and listing on the Bourse

Amãna Bank goes for IPO and listing on the Bourse

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sandunj


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Didn't see the prospectus forget about the valuations. I feel this IPO will trade positively in 1st day. I don't think anyone let this IPO to follow SHL and TJL. Big people may push the price...
If this also gonna negative IPO it will not a good image for future IPO's and SEC. So i don't think influenced peoples let it to happen. Im not talking about investing in amana but only trading ...

glwking


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@Jiggysaurus wrote:Any such warnings should come from non-cult admins/moderators like ville, sls and chinwi. In the past i have been censored by monstrous cult moderators for speaking the truth and highlighting the dangers of cults.

I bring this notice to the Admin & Moderators to act immediately and give glwking a warning for trying to whitewash dangerous IPOs like Amana.

Speaking the truth is not mud slinging. Truth hurts.

You have freedom to express your opinion in a decent manner. Amana IPO is not the first time you are behaving in indecent manner. Any news related to Muslims, you are coming with the gun. Hence, it's crystal clear about your intention.

I have no connection with Amana. Still I didn't read the prospectus and I have no idea to invest in this company, to be honest.

Islam strictly says, don't insult other religions. As of a follower of Islam, I never hurt other religions and always respect them and their belief. Truth never hurt. But your intention is to hurt the followers of Islam.

I generally made this request to all admins/moderators. But I am expecting a fair reply from your favorite moderators smallville, slstock or chinwi.

Fresher


Moderator
Moderator
I'll leave the request to the admins.

As for the substance I have to agree with Jiggy and Alchemist.

Had a quick look at the financials and they have turned to losses with not such a good asset-liability match for me to make profits in future.
Also I think 7/- is too much in my opinion given their NAV and we can buy other profitable solid "pure" banks for cheaper price in the secondary market.

While I cannot dispute the facts presented by Jiggy, that does not concern me. As Alchemist said, inviting is one thing, accepting is another. As with earlier IPO's and the recent drought of IPOs I'm guessing there will be enough retailers buying this just to "buy form an IPO"

Jiggysaurus


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@glwking wrote:

Islam strictly says, don't insult other religions. As of a follower of Islam, I never hurt other religions and always respect them and their belief. Truth never hurt. But your intention is to hurt the followers of Islam.

This is not the Saudi or Afghan equity forum nor are we under the diyabariya law (yet) you cannot come and ask for censorship and special protection for your (whatever).

We have seen how EXPO and Amana are defended and whitewashed by your (whatever) members and we have seen how BFL and PCH were promoted by your (whatever) member.

The same way, in Sri-Lanka we have the right to talk about and ask tough questions about dangerous beleifs and dangerous IPOs.

If you are hurt by criticism on online forums either get a thicker skin or stick to censored forums.

Jake Sully


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
This is already listed in Maldives stock exchange?
With an NAV of Rs.3.4, can anyone tell me the accounting connection with the bank and ATL?

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@The Alchemist wrote:owners of businesses of other faiths offer their shares to people of other faiths. so buddhists, hindu's and christians owners offer shares in their company to muslim people, in order to share their wealth, and still do not believe in their god. so fair enough for muslim owners to offer share their wealth (or lack thereof) & their shares to people of other faiths & religions who do not believe in their god.

Hope i've answered your questions.
No mate. That was not my point.
I have no concern about the owners and their faiths.
We have no banks under Buddhist , Hindu or Christian laws. This particular bank is Islamic, not (only) the owners.

BTW, I am not against sharia banking. I also believe Interest is sin. Even in SriLankan Buddhist culture, persons who charge interest from others are considered bad. (සල්ලි පොලියට දෙන එකෙක් ).
Many people and companies get bankrupt due to interest trap. More polite way is profit sharing.

---

Making profits by sharia related financial institutes in a non Islamic country is difficult. Majority of the people go for high interest paying normal banks.
Hence, Amana has to pay good returns to the depositors to tally with other banks while charging low interest or profit sharing from debtors. I do not know how they balance this. Even our ATL.N is facing this situation.

In Muslim countries there is no competition and they can thrive.

anges


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
dont fall for this ! this looks like another nightmare for the investors

bakapandithaya

bakapandithaya
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Jiggysaurus wrote:At least the prospectus doesn't have any manthareys or salutations like the AR.
But the prospectus clearly shows that this is a seetu scheme conducted for the benefit of a certain (whatever)
Amãna Bank goes for IPO and listing on the Bourse - Page 3 Amana10

Pages 156-160 of the prospectus clearly show that only a certain (whatever) peeples have only been given shares in this seetu scheme. There is not a single Sinhalese or tamil in that list.
So this seetu scheme which is loss making is now asking money from non cult peeples because they are loss making and can't meet central bank capital requirements?
Since this is a seetu scheme for the benefit of only a certain group this should have been kept as a private company and money should only be raised from peeple who believe in the (whatever) law this is based on.

This IPO is like a butcher shop asking for donations from the village temple in order to expand. (The butcher shop has every right to do business and expand as does Amana Bank but don't trick ill informed retailers into putting their hard earned money into a loss making seetu scheme)

He is a sinhala praba. God made a mistake. Lot of innocent people died coz of war, but people like u still alive:evil: 

ccsentha


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
P/E is 43.75:lol: Laughing Laughing Laughing 

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Chinwi wrote:
@The Alchemist wrote:owners of businesses of other faiths offer their shares to people of other faiths. so buddhists, hindu's and christians owners offer shares in their company to muslim people, in order to share their wealth, and still do not believe in their god. so fair enough for muslim owners to offer share their wealth (or lack thereof) & their shares to people of other faiths & religions who do not believe in their god.  

Hope i've answered your questions.
No mate. That was not my point.
I have no concern about the owners and their faiths.
We have no banks under Buddhist , Hindu or Christian laws. This particular bank is Islamic, not (only) the owners.

BTW, I am not against sharia banking.  I also believe Interest is sin. Even in SriLankan  Buddhist culture, persons who charge interest from others are considered bad. (සල්ලි පොලියට දෙන එකෙක් ).
Many people and companies get bankrupt due to interest trap. More polite way is profit sharing.

---

Making profits by  sharia related financial institutes in a non Islamic country is difficult. Majority of the people  go for high interest paying normal banks.
Hence, Amana has to pay good returns to the depositors to tally with other banks while charging low interest or profit sharing from  debtors. I do not know how they balance this. Even our ATL.N is facing this situation.

In Muslim countries there is no competition and they can thrive.
I am working for an Islamic Finance Bank in Kuwait since last year, which has total assets of approx US$ 53 billion. Before joining to this bank, I worked for a conventional bank in Kuwait for about nearly 5 years. As I remember around 7 years ago, there was only one Islamic Bank in Kuwait. But now the list has grown up to six.

I disagree with you to the point that in Muslim countries there is no competition to the Islamic Bank. No, still there is a heavy competition with conventional banks. Still National Bank of Kuwait is the largest bank in Kuwait, which is a conventional bank. However, Islamic banking sector is growing aggressively in Kuwait.

I still doubt how Amana Bank is going to compete with conventional banks in Sri Lanka. It can be more practical in ME and Malaysia. Islamic Banking has considerable growth in Sri Lanka too. That's why many conventional banks and financial institutions are operating their Islamic Financial unit (Ex: COMB, LOLC, PLC etc..)

P.S: I am working in IT sector. Therefore, my knowledge in Islamic Banking is very less though I am working for a Islamic Bank.

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@ monster ,

Thank you for the information about the competition.
Many banks in Sri Lanka too tried to attract Muslim crowd by introducing Islamic banking. For them, managing the funds with prevailing interest rates is the problem.
I think (not sure) in Middle East the interest rates are low in conventional system also; hence may be easy for Islamic Banks to compete.

In Sri Lanka it will be much difficult to grow for a Islamic bank if we value it by EPS or monitory gains. In long term, they may grow expanding branch network and by influencing the society of their values. They will need backing by big funds for it.

About post IPO,
They may try to keep trading above IPO price. Somehow, I do not think this IPO price is worth compared to prevailing lower prices of other good shares. If no artificial support investors will go for better shares with more promising future.

seek


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Anyway, I am not going to apply this IPO. If someone really wants to buy 'Amana', then wait for another few months, this will trade at the floor below 4 Rs..

Jake Sully

Jake Sully
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@seek wrote:Anyway, I am not going to apply this IPO. If someone really wants to buy 'Amana', then wait for another few months, this will trade at the floor below 4 Rs..
This is true for most of the IPOs. Let's buy after IPO.

Sud


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic
I dont think this is a sheetu scheme like CIFL, or other failed finance companies.
Jiggysaurus, seems to be blab erring thro his ***

Hanoifortune

Hanoifortune
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Jiggy,

People losing billion of rupees investing in Cse last 3 years. will lose for at least another 2 years.If you can educate the public on this.

If Islam which was founded in 610AD(now1435year old) is a cult religion what about other religons older than that.I know you are not a buddhist.Can you find your cult religon which is also older than islam in this long list?

History Timeline of World Religions and its Founders

2,085 BC. Judaism-Abraham

1,500 BC. Hinduism- no specific founder

560 BC. Buddhism- Gautama Buddha

550 BC. Taoism - Lao Tzu

599 BC. Jainism, Mahavira

30 AD. Christianity –Jesus Christ

50-100 AD. Gnosticism-

150-250 AD. -Modalism (Monarchianism)–Sabellius, Praxeus, Noetus, Paul of Samosata

325 AD. -After being persecuted for almost 200 years Constantine made the Church becomes a legal religion, compromise begins to enter.

590 AD.-Roman Catholicism- Developed after Constantine; Pope Gregory?

610 AD.- Islam- Mohammed

1400 AD.- Rosicrucians-Christian Rosenkreuz (1694 US) Rosicrucians- Master Kelpius, Johann Andrea

1515 AD.- Protestantism- (Reformers) Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin

1650 AD.- Tibetan Buddhism-Dalai Lama

1700 AD.- Freemasony- Albert Mackey, Albert Pike

1760 AD.-Swedenborgism- Emmanuel Swedenborg

1784 AD.- Shakers - Mother Ann Lee

1830 AD.- Mormonism – Joseph Smith

1830 AD.-Cambellites-Alexander & Thomas Cambell, Barton Stone

1838 AD.-Tenrikyo- Miki Maegawa Nakayama

1844 AD.-Christadelphians- John Thomas

1840-45 AD.-Millerites 2nd day Adventists –William Miller then became 7th Day Adventists

1844 AD.-Bahai- Baha'u'llah (Abul Baha)

1845-1870AD.- 7th Day Adventists-E.G. White

1848 AD.-Spiritualism - Kate and Margaret Fox

1870 AD.-Jehovah's Witnesses- Charles Taze Russell

1875 AD.-Theosophical Society- H.P. Blavatsky, Henry Olcott

1879 AD.-Christian Science-Mary Baker Eddy

1889-1924 AD.-Unity School of Christianity- Myrtle Fillmore

1900 AD.-Rosicrucian Fellowship-Max Heindel

1902 AD.- Anthroposophical Society –Rudolf Steiner

1906 AD. -The Pentecostal Assemblies of the World

1914 AD.- Iglesia ni Cristo- Felix Manalo

1914 AD.- Oneness Pentecostalism- Frank Ewart, G.T.Haywood, Glenn Cook

1917 AD.-True Jesus Church. Founders Paul Wei, Lingsheng Chang and Barnabas Chang

1930 AD. -Black Muslims (Nation of Islam) –Wallace D. Fard

1927 AD.- Mind Science- Ernest Holmes

1934 AD.-World Wide Church of God- Herbert W. Armstrong

1935 AD.-Self Realization Fellowship- Paramahansa Yogananda

1954 AD.- Unification Church- Sun Myung Moon

1945 AD. -The Way -Victor P.Wierwille

1948 AD.- Latter Rain –Franklin Hall, George Warnock.

1964 AD.- Eckankar The Ancient Science of Soul Travel (Eck). Founded by Paul Twitchell

1968 AD.- Hare Krishna (US)- Swami Prabhupada

1968 AD.- Children of God- David (Moses) Berg

1945 AD.-United Pentecostal International- Howard Goss, W.T. Witherspoon (can be traced back to 1914)

1944 AD.- Silva Mind Control –Jose Silva

1950 AD.-Urantia Book- Dr. Bill Sadler

1950 AD.-Lafayette Ronald Hubbard published his book Dianetics-SCIENTOLOGY

1954 AD.-Atherius Society (UFO’s)- Dr. George King

1955 AD.- Scientology- L. Ron Hubbard

1958 AD.- Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research- Henry Kinley

1958-1970 AD.- Church Universal and Triumphant –Mark and E.C. Prophet

1958 AD. -Henry Kinley begins (IDMR) the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research

1959 AD.-Unitariarian Universalist

1960 AD.-Transcendental meditation- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

1960 AD.-Enkankar- Paul Twitchell

1961 AD.- Unitarian Universalism was officially formed.

1965 AD.-Assembly of Yahweh-Jacob Meyer

1966 AD.- Church of Satan –Anton LaVey

1970 AD.-Findhorn Community –Peter and Eileen Caddy –David Spangler

1970 AD.- Divine light Mission- Guru Maharaj Ji

1973 AD.- CARP was established in the United States. [The Collegiate Association for the Research of Principles] to introduce the teachings of un Myung Moon.

1974 AD.-Assemblies of Yahweh-Sam Suratt

1979 AD.-Church of Christ International - Kip McKean

1980 -1982 AD.- Tara Center-Benjamen Crème

1980 AD.- House of Yahweh (Abilene) Jacob Hawkins

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
My point exactly Hanoi man.

As per your list 610=1830=1930=1955

You can even add Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Mansen and Soko Asahara to your list if you like.

Every one has the right to believe in whatever cult they want but please don't try to force your nonsense down other peeples throats.

And like some of your cult members don't try to come and censor criticisms and questioning of your weird and dangerous belief systems and dangerous IPOs.

This is not Saudi or Afghanistan where crackpots can come and censor questions and criticisms.

Hanoifortune

Hanoifortune
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Uncle, you are not trading with your own money. It is the collection from congregation. Later those money is used to convert people in Sri lanka.Ha Ha. you are earning from our investment and converting people to your cult .Isn't you are forcing into people?


@Jiggysaurus wrote:My point exactly Hanoi man.

As per your list 610=1830=1930=1955

You can even add Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Mansen and Soko Asahara to your list if you like.

Every one has the right to believe in whatever cult they want but please don't try to force your nonsense down other peeples throats.

And like some of your cult members don't try to come and censor criticisms and questioning of your weird and dangerous belief systems and dangerous IPOs.

This is not Saudi or Afghanistan where crackpots can come and censor questions and criticisms.

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Guys.. stop it.. i'm giving u guys the final warning..

K.Haputantri

K.Haputantri
Co-Admin
A frank discussion on the subject matter without insulting any one is necessary in order to make this dialoge a usefull one. So far, I have not seen any reason for action by admins as all participants appear to be using restrain in their expressions, thogh to some its otherwise. After all we operate in a multi-religious democratic environment where expression of views is gauranteed. This forum values such healthy discussions.

Jake Sully

Jake Sully
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Will Amana get the tax concessions proposed by the government if they go listed?
Will it make a change in their bottom line?

glwking

glwking
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Jiggy, if your intention is to educate others about the danger of upcoming IPO. You have total freedom. But for the last three years many IPOs came in to the market. How many people lost their money. Where you were all these days?

Dear Admin/Moderators

Is racism hate speech allowed in this forum? If yes, I can be silent. Because I cannot do any hate speech. I visit here to read only equity related subjects.

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@glwking wrote:Jiggy, if your intention is to educate others about the danger of upcoming IPO. You have total freedom. But for the last three years many IPOs came in to the market. How many people lost their money. Where you were all these days?


In order to talk about a dangerous IPO that is based on a (whatever) (whatever) ancient law or belief system, we have to talk and criticize that (whatever) law.

The point of this thread is to educate people about a dangerous IPO which is in turn based on a (whatever) law.

If you read the thread you can see that it is (whatever) members who came and made personal attacks on me along with the (whatever) tactic of making a death threat as well. On top of that some glwking came and tried to impose censorship because his sensitive feelings were getting hurt.

Feelings getting hurt is an absurd and crazy reason.
Look at the following scenarios
1) I'm a strict believer in fun-the-mentals when medium ville posts charts and tech analysis this hurts my feelings. Will admins give a stern warning to ville?
2) I'm a strict believer in anti splitting, when gainer comes and goes "split coming, split coming" it hurts my anti split feelings. Will admins ban gainer?
3) I'm a lover of achchis when TAH comes comes and says fib-on-achchi is broken this hurts my beleifs and feelings. Will admins allow this anti achchi hate speech of TAH?
4) I'm a strict believer in anti politics when DG Dayaratne talks about politics it hurts my anti-political feelings? Any warnings?
5) I'm a strict beliver in English when Chinwi uses sinhala fonts this hurts my belief system. any warnings?

Don't allow crazies to impose censorship on this forum. Admins can step in and give warnings if things get out of hand but crackpots can't some and demand censorship to hide and whitewash their dangerous beleifs.

Jake Sully

Jake Sully
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@Jake Sully wrote:Will Amana get the tax concessions proposed by the government if they go listed?
Will it make a change in their bottom line?
Can anyone aware of the above?

hariesha


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Yes, They will get. Though IPO is open from December, listing will happen in January.

seek


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Jiggysaurus wrote:
@glwking wrote:Jiggy, if your intention is to educate others about the danger of upcoming IPO. You have total freedom. But for the last three years many IPOs came in to the market. How many people lost their money. Where you were all these days?


In order to talk about a dangerous IPO that is based on a (whatever) (whatever) ancient law or belief system, we have to talk and criticize that (whatever) law.

The point of this thread is to educate people about a dangerous IPO which is in turn based on a (whatever) law.

If you read the thread you can see that it is (whatever) members who came and made personal attacks on me along with the (whatever) tactic of making a death threat as well. On top of that some glwking came and tried to impose censorship because his sensitive feelings were getting hurt.

Feelings getting hurt is an absurd and crazy reason.
Look at the following scenarios
1) I'm a strict believer in fun-the-mentals when medium ville posts charts and tech analysis this hurts my feelings. Will admins give a stern warning to ville?
2) I'm a strict believer in anti splitting, when gainer comes and goes "split coming, split coming" it hurts my anti split feelings. Will admins ban gainer?
3) I'm a lover of achchis when TAH comes comes and says fib-on-achchi is broken this hurts my beleifs and feelings. Will admins allow this anti achchi hate speech of TAH?
4) I'm a strict believer in anti politics when DG Dayaratne talks about politics it hurts my anti-political feelings? Any warnings?
5) I'm a strict beliver in English when Chinwi uses sinhala fonts this hurts my belief system. any warnings?

Don't allow crazies to impose censorship on this forum. Admins can step in and give warnings if things get out of hand but crackpots can't some and demand censorship to hide and whitewash their dangerous beleifs.
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