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SLEF members to propose the methodology for Small Investor Association to the SEC

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Sstar

Sstar
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

SLEF being the largest investment discussion forum in Sri Lanka with close to 12,000 registered members have been formally requested by the SEC to submit proposal regarding the formation of the Small Investor Association to safeguard the interest of the small investors. 

We request our members to use this thread to post their suggestions, ideas and advise which would help SEC to identify concerns of small investors and help them to form this all important association for the benefit of the small investors and the development of the capital market of Sri Lanka.

Thank you

Octopus

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Are you serious?
Ability to give voice people would never have been heard.
They want to hear our voice?
you've got to be kidding me... this is amazing sstar

OK, then Note this down from me......First one.

"CSE website is too slow when you access from overseas.
Taking 5-10 min to download a Pdf files and minutes to access the website during trading hours"
Being a consistence traveler, I always have this experience.

VALUEPICK

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Sstar wrote:SLEF being the largest investment discussion forum in Sri Lanka with close to 12,000 registered members have been formally requested by the SEC to submit proposal regarding the formation of the Small Investor Association to safeguard the interest of the small investors. 

We request our members to use this thread to post their suggestions, ideas and advise which would help SEC to identify concerns of small investors and help them to form this all important association for the benefit of the small investors and the development of the capital market of Sri Lanka.

Thank you

Two of my suggestions are:

1.Introduce more stringent requirements on the level of information that issuers have to disclose when offering investments to the public. (e.g. prospectus)

2.Encourage institutional investors keeping a check on corporate governance practices in listed companies.

As small investors we also should know about risk and returns in the stock market. Higher the risk higher returns. Lower the risk lower return. In addition as small investors we also should have some risk management system because all types of businesses have some sort of risks beyond their control. On the other hand Mis-management is a different matter. Finally we cannot blame on some research reports prepared by some analysts. They are also human. They also can have judgement of errors. Therefore it is better to do some study ourselves as well. We cannot win all the times in stock markets.

If we have some sort of stock picking system then we can avoid our mistakes. Even institutional investors, top market players make mistakes.

Good luck!

Sstar

Sstar
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Minority Investors’ association
On Thursday, a group of investors in Colombo’s stock market, residing in Kurunegala met at the residence of K.C. Vignarajah, good governance advocate and fighter for the rights of small investors in the market.
Their grouse: No one – the authorities (SEC/CSE or stock brokers included) – is listening to their plea for adequate returns from their investments. They seemed to have lost hope in the market and now are determined to take the once-sombre fight to a different level.
These investors from Kurunegala have formed into an association and say they have raised these issues about falling values of their stock, etc and blamed the authorities for ‘attractive’ promotional campaigns that have drawn them into investing but now with no return in sight.
They say they have been knocking on the doors of the SEC – through individual calls, personal appearances at the office, and letters – to complain about these issues but have not got any satisfactory response. They have also written to President Mahinda Rajapaksa but the follow-up from the President’s office has been lukewarm.
Their plea ironically comes at a time when the SEC is initiating the formation of a Minority Investors’ Association. In a newspaper advertisement cum notice posted on the SEC website, the SEC invited views from the public, saying “You are invited to comment on the following aspects of the proposal during which it is expected to obtain all concerned stakeholders views pertaining to the formation of a Minority Shareholders’ Association to represent the concerns of minority investors and to protect their shareholders’ rights and interests. We request you to describe any alternative approaches you think would achieve our initiation,” it said.
The SEC notice also invited former Executive Directors/Chairmen of listed companies who have served more than five years for a discussion to share their ideas on the proposed association “with a view to encourage a constructive dialogue with public listed companies on matters concerning minority shareholders whilst minimising obstacles to operations and management of listed companies.”
The SEC move to encourage the formation of such an association is commendable but raises some questions on processes and whether the association would be allowed to operate as an independent body or not. In fairness to the authorities however these issues would only be addressed once public comments are made from all stakeholders and a final decision taken on the structure and objectives of this association.
There are two points of concern in the SEC notice: (1) the invitation to executive directors/chairmen for a discussion could lead to some bias in the ultimate formation of the association. In fairness to the other stakeholders too, other sections of investors (or their representatives) should also be invited for such a meeting. After all, the interests of management, directors and ordinary shareholders are common: that the company should do well, achieve profits with good governance structures, pay good dividends to shareholders and furthermore raise the profile to increase its share value. These are common objectives and it would unfair for the SEC to call only one section of a company for such a discussion.
(2) Hopefully this notice has been published in Sinhala and Tamil too. The government and the SEC/CSE have been actively promoting the stock markets particularly to small investors and, one of the complaints (raised by the Kurunegala investors) is that the SEC and CSE communications are only in English.
This is a valid issue. How can the SEC/CSE promote the stock market in only one language if the whole objective – like what former Deputy Finance Minister Prof. G.L Peiris and other government politicians have said – is to create a ‘share-owning’ democracy!
While there are few heated arguments or confrontation over accounts or other issues at annual general meetings (AGMs) of listed companies – and in most cases, these are docile meetings – in the instances where there have been confrontation between small investors and board directors, invariably small shareholders don’t get their queries properly responded to and are considered a ‘nuisance’.
There are pros and cons to this argument. On one side, there are shareholders who could be accused of ‘pestering’ the board with ‘unnecessary’ questions. On the other hand, there are minority shareholders who raise valid questions, like good governance activist K.C. Vignarajah, but who are also considered a ‘nuisance’ by board directors who wiggle out of situations with some excuse when unable to respond to crucial questions.
While this may sound improbable to implement and would draw opposition from listed companies, one solution would be for independent observers (maybe SEC officials) to be present at AGMs to ensure the interests of both sides – management/directors and minority shareholders – are looked after at these meetings.
In the meantime, are the listed companies doing their due by shareholders? It is one thing to promote IPOs, debentures or rights issues but another matter when these companies do not provide information to shareholders in a timely manner. In a newspaper notice on Friday, the Registrar of Companies issued a warning to ‘all incorporated companies’ saying that some companies have failed to submit their annual reports and not held their AGMs within 30 working days as per Section 133 (1) of the Companies Act. The notice does not specify the year of accounts.
The penalty for defaulters is a fine of Rs.100,000 (meagre amount) and Rs. 50,000 on company directors. While this applies to all companies (listed and non-listed), there are many listed companies that have failed to furnish reports on time and requires stringent action from the SEC/CSE.
In the meantime, ‘individual’ elements who controlled the stock market some years ago and forced the resignation of at least two heads of the SEC, are still lurking around.
In the formation of the minority investors’ association the SEC should ensure these elements don’t infiltrate and take control and transform it into their own ‘club’ with the real, small investors compelled to watch from the sidelines. That will be a test of the SEC and its current, stated policy of being strict and ensuring clean governance, in the market.

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/141026

NC

NC
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Small investors association is a good idea... We also need a voice
Very Happy
My request is to use much sophisticated internet trading platform than DFN, or a upgraded version of DFN which is much compatible with modern trading platform technology.
Such as;
- Alert functions; Email alert/Push Notification.
- Intraday chart (1 minute chart); At least a one month history.
- Good scanning facilities of CSE stocks; With custom indicators/formulas/conditions.
- Proper Arbitration policy for "server down" situations.

- I also Like to note, if transaction costs, especially Government Cess can be reduced, CSE will be much more active in trading (more transactions). Hence, Government may collect more tax money at a lower rate and investors also benefited.

-Thnx
NC



Last edited by NC on Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:49 am; edited 1 time in total

Octopus

Octopus
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NC wrote:Small investors association is a good idea... We also need a voice
Very Happy
My request is to use much sophisticated internet trading platform than DFN, or a upgraded version of DFN which is much compatible with modern trading platform technology.
Such as;
- Alert functions; Email alert/Push Notification.
- Intraday chart (1 minute chart); At least a one month history.
- Good scanning facilities of CSE stocks; With custom indicators/formulas/conditions.
- Proper Arbitration policy for "server down" situations.

- I also Like to note, if transaction costs, especially Government Cess can be reduced, CSE will be much more active in trading, Hence, Government may collect more tax money at a lower rate and investors also benefited.

-Thnx
NC


yes, is there anyway that we can find out pre-bidding info before start normal trade?

NC

NC
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Another note that I would like to add; This my personal view, as an investors, and I don't know how it affect from stock brokers side.

Consolidation of Stock brokers;
Currently, 15 stock brokers has been registered in CSE. If they could be consolidated to 10 or less than 10, the following benefits could be expected.
- Reduce the competitiveness, ensure sustainability of the industry.
- Cost can be reduced significantly. So, broker commission could be reduced and good benefit for investors. More transactions and much active CSE could be expected than today.
- Strength the financial position (capital and profits). Hence, could do more investments in HR, Technology, R&D, new branch network...etc.

- Thx
NC

opfdo

opfdo
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Octopus wrote:Are you serious?
Ability to give voice people would never have been heard.
They want to hear our voice?
you've got to be kidding me... this is amazing sstar

OK, then Note this down from me......First one.

"CSE website is too slow when you access from overseas.
Taking 5-10 min to download a Pdf files and minutes to access the website during trading hours"
Being a consistence traveler, I always have this experience.

dear Octopus, it may be due to connectivity issue there in the country you visiting.....(bandwidth issue)

OzTRADER

OzTRADER
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

NC wrote:Small investors association is a good idea... We also need a voice
Very Happy
My request is to use much sophisticated internet trading platform than DFN, or a upgraded version of DFN which is much compatible with modern trading platform technology.
Such as;
- Alert functions; Email alert/Push Notification.
- Intraday chart (1 minute chart); At least a one month history.
- Good scanning facilities of CSE stocks; With custom indicators/formulas/conditions.
- Proper Arbitration policy for "server down" situations.

- I also Like to note, if transaction costs, especially Government Cess can be reduced, CSE will be much more active in trading (more transactions). Hence, Government may collect more tax money at a lower rate and investors also benefited.

-Thnx
NC

Dear NC i have discussed all the things that you have mention regarding the trading platform and alerts non of the brokers are interested in discussing of any abetter alternative...i am guessing keeping certain things under there control more benificail to them than investors and traders.......higher power in control of DirectFN

the only solution to this problem is download the best sutable software and get a computer tech to configure it to our market...if it is possible

OzTRADER

OzTRADER
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Sstar wrote:Minority Investors’ association
On Thursday, a group of investors in Colombo’s stock market, residing in Kurunegala met at the residence of K.C. Vignarajah, good governance advocate and fighter for the rights of small investors in the market.
Their grouse: No one – the authorities (SEC/CSE or stock brokers included) – is listening to their plea for adequate returns from their investments. They seemed to have lost hope in the market and now are determined to take the once-sombre fight to a different level.
These investors from Kurunegala have formed into an association and say they have raised these issues about falling values of their stock, etc and blamed the authorities for ‘attractive’ promotional campaigns that have drawn them into investing but now with no return in sight.
They say they have been knocking on the doors of the SEC – through individual calls, personal appearances at the office, and letters – to complain about these issues but have not got any satisfactory response. They have also written to President Mahinda Rajapaksa but the follow-up from the President’s office has been lukewarm.
Their plea ironically comes at a time when the SEC is initiating the formation of a Minority Investors’ Association. In a newspaper advertisement cum notice posted on the SEC website, the SEC invited views from the public, saying “You are invited to comment on the following aspects of the proposal during which it is expected to obtain all concerned stakeholders views pertaining to the formation of a Minority Shareholders’ Association to represent the concerns of minority investors and to protect their shareholders’ rights and interests. We request you to describe any alternative approaches you think would achieve our initiation,” it said.
The SEC notice also invited former Executive Directors/Chairmen of listed companies who have served more than five years for a discussion to share their ideas on the proposed association “with a view to encourage a constructive dialogue with public listed companies on matters concerning minority shareholders whilst minimising obstacles to operations and management of listed companies.”
The SEC move to encourage the formation of such an association is commendable but raises some questions on processes and whether the association would be allowed to operate as an independent body or not. In fairness to the authorities however these issues would only be addressed once public comments are made from all stakeholders and a final decision taken on the structure and objectives of this association.
There are two points of concern in the SEC notice: (1) the invitation to executive directors/chairmen for a discussion could lead to some bias in the ultimate formation of the association. In fairness to the other stakeholders too, other sections of investors (or their representatives) should also be invited for such a meeting. After all, the interests of management, directors and ordinary shareholders are common: that the company should do well, achieve profits with good governance structures, pay good dividends to shareholders and furthermore raise the profile to increase its share value. These are common objectives and it would unfair for the SEC to call only one section of a company for such a discussion.
(2) Hopefully this notice has been published in Sinhala and Tamil too. The government and the SEC/CSE have been actively promoting the stock markets particularly to small investors and, one of the complaints (raised by the Kurunegala investors) is that the SEC and CSE communications are only in English.
This is a valid issue. How can the SEC/CSE promote the stock market in only one language if the whole objective – like what former Deputy Finance Minister Prof. G.L Peiris and other government politicians have said – is to create a ‘share-owning’ democracy!
While there are few heated arguments or confrontation over accounts or other issues at annual general meetings (AGMs) of listed companies – and in most cases, these are docile meetings – in the instances where there have been confrontation between small investors and board directors, invariably small shareholders don’t get their queries properly responded to and are considered a ‘nuisance’.
There are pros and cons to this argument. On one side, there are shareholders who could be accused of ‘pestering’ the board with ‘unnecessary’ questions. On the other hand, there are minority shareholders who raise valid questions, like good governance activist K.C. Vignarajah, but who are also considered a ‘nuisance’ by board directors who wiggle out of situations with some excuse when unable to respond to crucial questions.
While this may sound improbable to implement and would draw opposition from listed companies, one solution would be for independent observers (maybe SEC officials) to be present at AGMs to ensure the interests of both sides – management/directors and minority shareholders – are looked after at these meetings.
In the meantime, are the listed companies doing their due by shareholders? It is one thing to promote IPOs, debentures or rights issues but another matter when these companies do not provide information to shareholders in a timely manner. In a newspaper notice on Friday, the Registrar of Companies issued a warning to ‘all incorporated companies’ saying that some companies have failed to submit their annual reports and not held their AGMs within 30 working days as per Section 133 (1) of the Companies Act. The notice does not specify the year of accounts.
The penalty for defaulters is a fine of Rs.100,000 (meagre amount) and Rs. 50,000 on company directors. While this applies to all companies (listed and non-listed), there are many listed companies that have failed to furnish reports on time and requires stringent action from the SEC/CSE.
In the meantime, ‘individual’ elements who controlled the stock market some years ago and forced the resignation of at least two heads of the SEC, are still lurking around.
In the formation of the minority investors’ association the SEC should ensure these elements don’t infiltrate and take control and transform it into their own ‘club’ with the real, small investors compelled to watch from the sidelines. That will be a test of the SEC and its current, stated policy of being strict and ensuring clean governance, in the market.

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/141026

Dear SStar if you are really able to turn things around CSE level can you please get us a better trading platform, You can start off with that and move forward Smile Smile

SHARK aka TAH

SHARK aka TAH
Expert
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Some companies do not provide divident payouts at all.
to make compulsory 35%-30% Divident payouts by SEC.
Public float to increase and there by make liquidity enhanced.
Monetary Penalty for companies not submitting FR quarterly or yearly on time. in addition to sending it to default board.
Disclosure of action taken on companies ex. AINV PCH OGL CIFL TWOD for mis managing or manipulation or not disclosing pending court cases against them and Monetory penalties claimed by SEC.
SEC powers to be made stronger.

SHARK aka TAH

SHARK aka TAH
Expert
Expert

Reduce Transaction cost further to a minimum to encourage volatility in the market.
Broker companies to consolidate and have few broker companies

yellow knife


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

my request is do justice to the Pelwatta SUGA.N investors.

shadow walker

shadow walker
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

NC wrote:Small investors association is a good idea... We also need a voice
Very Happy
My request is to use much sophisticated internet trading platform than DFN, or a upgraded version of DFN which is much compatible with modern trading platform technology.
Such as;
- Alert functions; Email alert/Push Notification.
- Intraday chart (1 minute chart); At least a one month history.
- Good scanning facilities of CSE stocks; With custom indicators/formulas/conditions.
- Proper Arbitration policy for "server down" situations.

- I also Like to note, if transaction costs, especially Government Cess can be reduced, CSE will be much more active in trading (more transactions). Hence, Government may collect more tax money at a lower rate and investors also benefited.

-Thnx
NC

agree with you NC ..
direct fn should update...
i think margin loan interest rates are so high. SEC must take some action about this rates..
rendeer rendeer rendeer rendeer rendeer

shadow walker

shadow walker
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Code:
SHARK aka TAH wrote:Reduce Transaction cost further to a minimum to encourage volatility in the market.
Broker companies to consolidate and have few broker companies

elakiri.. thats good idea dear.. transaction cost shold reduce..
clown clown clown

SHARK aka TAH

SHARK aka TAH
Expert
Expert

Yes Reduce margin Interst rates to 8%.

ahamed112


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Are you guys serious? Does the govt going to care about small investors and your proposal's?

NC

NC
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

SHARK aka TAH wrote:Some companies do not provide divident payouts at all.
to make compulsory 35%-30% Divident payouts by SEC.
Public float to increase and there by make liquidity enhanced.
Monetary Penalty for companies not submitting FR quarterly or yearly on time. in addition to sending it to default board.
Disclosure of action taken on companies ex. AINV PCH OGL CIFL TWOD for mis managing or manipulation or not disclosing pending court cases against them and Monetory penalties claimed by SEC.
SEC powers to be made stronger.

Good Point..
Dividend pay; Some companies doesn't give any dividends but rights..
And a strong policy and regulations on mis-management is highly needed.

fff4sl

fff4sl
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Consider Transaction cost and better comunication...

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

First thing for the SEC to do is make sure that the Mr Baloney's, Mr Adam's, Mr Kothalawala's and Mr Rishan's are not allowed to appoint their useless unqualified Mrs Baloney's, Mrs Adams, Mrs Kota and Mrs Rishan's to director board.
Second thing appoint the powerful GMNet as the chairman of the association.

nalban


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

I am not sure whether I am missing anything on this request.
Can we request them to have a reduced transaction fee (Broker commission structure) when we trade online.
Because the cost to the brokers are zero when we trade online, they do not need to allocate their resources for us.

IO3+O


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Jiggysaurus wrote:First thing for the SEC to do is make sure that the Mr Baloney's, Mr Adam's, Mr Kothalawala's and Mr Rishan's are not allowed to appoint their useless unqualified Mrs Baloney's, Mrs Adams, Mrs Kota and Mrs Rishan's to director board.
Second thing appoint the powerful GMNet as the chairman of the association.
SLEF members to propose the methodology for Small Investor Association to the SEC 091110

Sstar

Sstar
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

These are my Suggestions to SEC
* Small Investors should priority allocation when it comes to IPO's
* Small investors should get higher margin trading limits at lower interest rates from Stock Brokers.
* Brokerage fee should be adjusted provide a lower transaction cost to small investors.
* Small investors should be given compulsory opportunity to speak at EGM and AGM's
* Companies should offer special benefits to small investor shareholders of their respective companies. Free Lunch, Memorabilia etc based on the product portfolio of the company.
* SLEF members should be given the opportunity to be a part of the Association with its 11,000 members.
* Free Stock Market Training should be given to Small Investors. VstoX Game should be utilized for this purpose.
* SEC should conduct meeting of the small investors to discuss problems relating to the market.

SM2014

SM2014
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

My suggestions

Minimum 300 mn number of shares - to avoid illiquid share manipulation and to be feasible for small investors so that they can purchase high value shares

To compensate for small shareholders in case of company liquidation and government acquisitions (Ex. TWOD & SUGA). It should be decided who are small shareholders. Ex less than 1%

omegaplus

omegaplus
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

SHARK aka TAH wrote:Some companies do not provide divident payouts at all.
to make compulsory 35%-30% Divident payouts by SEC.
Public float to increase and there by make liquidity enhanced.
Monetary Penalty for companies not submitting FR quarterly or yearly on time. in addition to sending it to default board.
Disclosure of action taken on companies ex. AINV PCH OGL CIFL TWOD for mis managing or manipulation or not disclosing pending court cases against them and Monetory penalties claimed by SEC.
SEC powers to be made stronger.

Hi I really like those ideas...specially reducing the transaction cost.
Then about taking actions against bad companies.

One thing we can do here is make a list of good companies? Not sure how...but with companies with good accounts, management and track record... Like a top 10 or 20? Very Happy Very Happy May be for each sector? Just a thought

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