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FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » SHL last month went up more than 20.00 now trading 16.60

SHL last month went up more than 20.00 now trading 16.60

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Gainer


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
i think you have personaly some problem with me.
in this forum only for me writing against me?

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Yes i have a problem with you. Because you intentionally mislead people.

But it's not only you - I will highlight any person who tries to fool innocent investors when i see such.

So don't worry whether i am picking on you. Worry if you are thinking of continuing to intentionally fool people.

I will not say anything if you genuinly mention something and if it doesn't happen.


@Gainer wrote:i think you have personaly some problem with me.
in this forum only for me writing against me?

Gainer


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Gainer wrote:
@Nitro 7 wrote:Gainer, stop being an idiot !

Whose pay roll are you on??


@Gainer wrote:
@shan wrote:Under SHL lots of potential

Asian Alliance Insurance
Asiri Central Hospitals PLC
Asiri Hospitals Holdings PLC
Asiri Surgical Hospital PLC
Softlogic Capital PLC
Softlogic Finance PLC

Odel PLC

IPO Price 29.00 , Today trading 16.60

Wow it's a Mega potential and should be go up to break IPO price 29.00 this time.

Nimal Perera one of the Director and he is collecting SHL for PABC in the current market.
why you al'ways against me ??? , SHL there is the huge value . are you jealous ??? I am not idiot i think you.

Softlogic Holding Buying ASIR

http://www.cse.lk/cmt/uploadAnnounceFiles/3291417411886_.pdf

http://www.cse.lk/cmt/uploadAnnounceFiles/3291417411886_.pdf

when ASIR and AMSL moving same time SHL also value increase and move up

SHL holding Company of ASIR ,AMSL , ODEL , SCAP , AAIC , CRL

These 5 shares price when increse each shares 1.00 then SHL value increase by atleast 4.00

SHL more better for buy cheers


Nimal Perera buying SHL,  see this link  http://www.ft.lk/2014/11/18/bourse-at-more-than-43-month-high/
This wrong information??? correct man. if wrong tell me what? i think you do not know any think only getting smart for nothing.

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.

shan


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.


SHL holding Company of ASIR ,AMSL , ODEL , SCAP , AAIC , CRL when these shares mave up SHL value also increase.

Next year it will break ipo price.

Then why they issued at 29.00??? there is the value.

Please comments everyone.

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Shan - do you know what the current price multiples of these Companies you mentioned?
ODEL - 4Q is over 70 times !
AMSL - over 20
SCAP - 15
AAIC - 19
CRL - 9

Other than CRL, others are highly priced already. So why should they just increase? SHL is 35 times PE (which is very high for a below average performer who is highly leveraged. Luckily the low interest rates have saved them).

If you know specific reasons for growth let us know.
Also impact should be looked in an overall EPS view for SHL and not as individual stocks' EPS or PE.

Gainer

Gainer
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@Nitro 7 wrote:Shan - do you know what the current price multiples of these Companies you mentioned?
ODEL - 4Q is over 70 times !
AMSL - over 20
SCAP - 15
AAIC - 19
CRL - 9

Other than CRL, others are highly priced already. So why should they just increase? SHL is 35 times PE (which is very high for a below average performer who is highly leveraged. Luckily the low interest rates have saved them).

If you know specific reasons for growth let us know.
Also impact should be looked in an overall EPS view for SHL and not as individual stocks' EPS or PE.

then you know NEST , CTC , JKH , COMB  then these shares should be come below 100.00 ?????

YOU are totaly wrong man.

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
When do you expect SHL to get to Rs 29 ?

By the way comparing NEST with SHL is like the joke of the Century Smile
Still Nest has a PE below 30 and growing over 20% each year

RPPA


Expert
Expert
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.


The problem for me in SHL is the gearing.Just see below.

They have Short term borrowing with Bank O/D amounting to more than Rs.15.10Bn. And Shareholders funds (SHF) of only 14.60Bn. And when take the selected Long term Interest bearing Borrowings are Rs.19.1Bn. Therefore all together Costly borrowing are Rs.49.50Bn. by taking out all the other liabilities.

This suggest that SHL is a high risk company. And it is highly vulnerable to any small negative economic reactions such as rise in interest rates & fluctuating exchange rates. And as per my knowledge SHL is closely connected with MR & If MR looses they may have to face some difficulties.


The only positive i see in SHL is increase in performance by about 90% . But it still trading above annualised P/E 40. So SHL is overvalued. 



Last edited by RPPA on Thu Dec 25, 2014 11:26 am; edited 1 time in total

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Thank you RPPA for the analysis

Hope others understood what Gainer and his multiple profiles are doing Twisted Evil

@RPPA wrote:
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.


The problem for me in SHL is the gearing.Just see below.

They have Short term borrowing with Bank O/D amounting to more than Rs.15.10Bn. And Shareholders funds (SHF) of only 14.60Bn. And when take the selected Long term Interest bearing Borrowings are Rs.19.1Bn. Therefore all together Costly borrowing are Rs.49.50Bn. by taking out all the other liabilities.

This suggest that SHL is a high risk company. And it is highly vulnerable to any small vegetative economic reactions such as rise in interest rates & fluctuating exchange rates. And as per my knowledge SHL is closely connected with MR & If MR looses they may have to face some difficulties.


The only positive i see in SHL is increase in performance by about 90% . But it still trading above annualised P/E 40. So SHL is overvalued. 

RPPA


Expert
Expert
@Nitro 7 wrote:Thank you RPPA for the analysis

Hope others understood what Gainer and his multiple profiles are doing  Twisted Evil

@RPPA wrote:
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.


The problem for me in SHL is the gearing.Just see below.

They have Short term borrowing with Bank O/D amounting to more than Rs.15.10Bn. And Shareholders funds (SHF) of only 14.60Bn. And when take the selected Long term Interest bearing Borrowings are Rs.19.1Bn. Therefore all together Costly borrowing are Rs.49.50Bn. by taking out all the other liabilities.

This suggest that SHL is a high risk company. And it is highly vulnerable to any small negative economic reactions such as rise in interest rates & fluctuating exchange rates. And as per my knowledge SHL is closely connected with MR & If MR looses they may have to face some difficulties.


The only positive i see in SHL is increase in performance by about 90% . But it still trading above annualised P/E 40. So SHL is overvalued. 

AsK19

AsK19
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
SHL last month went up more than 20.00 now trading 16.60 - Page 2 Soft_s10

man123


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.

are you thinking , SHL could move to 20/= , then good to buy @17/= at least 15% profit?

hlsindrajith


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Dear Ask19
Thanks for being informative and expect more from you

Nitro 7


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Read again - IF Nimal Perera wants to buy big quantities...

I would say "BE CAREFUL" with SHL

@man123 wrote:
@Nitro 7 wrote:SHL - if NP wants to buy big quantities, could move towards Rs 20.

What you mentioned was Rs 29 (which is 50% above that inflated level).

Current price has considered the acquisitions.

There is no reason other than manipulation for any increase close to what you are saying.

RPPA - for your comments pls.

are you thinking , SHL could move to 20/= , then good to buy @17/= at least 15% profit?

Gainer

Gainer
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
SHL.N last month november went up 20.40 and after election announcement that'swhy came down.

SHL and It's group of companys ASIR ,AMSL ,SCAP also will move up

Jana

Jana
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Gainer wrote:SHL.N last month november went up 20.40 and after election announcement that'swhy came down.

SHL and It's group of companys ASIR ,AMSL ,SCAP also will move up

I bought some Scap under 7/= keep it , now got some idea about SHL, seems like SHL good to trade for short term

xmart

xmart
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
At some point you cannot evaluate shares with EPS, PER and PBV. when you invest take a look at the business model, expandable areas, management and future investments. sometimes, some stocks looks overvalued.

In person, I expect SHL to outperform the rest of the market in 5 year time because of its business model. strategic expansion. I admit their debt is too high at the stage and they are vulnerable to changes. it is a high risk stock, but i believe Mr. Pathirage & the team and its business model. its somewhat similar to JKH, HHL but in premature stage.


I do hold small quantity for observation purposes, and collecting at low when i can.

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