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26Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:00 am

xhora


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

This one explains it the best
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t4302-the-dream-i-saw-about-kgal-prices

27Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:18 am

hunter


Moderator
Moderator

Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

28Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:02 am

Intrinsic


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?




29Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:20 pm

pushpakumara


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

xhora wrote:
pushpakumara wrote:Dear Rajitha

For greater understanding on Manipulation, why one will sell a large quantity of his shares at a lower price when there is a possible up trend for that share? One possibility I can think of is he would have come to his final day of T+ 5 and then he may be in obvious frame of mind in selling his shares at a loss. But then this has had happened in the morning. May be he has exceeded T+5.


Like to hear from you as it is good to know for better understanding of trading environment.

Demonstration with an example:
They know that price of XYZ has potential to go beyond 100.
Now it's 80 and they hold 10,000.

They dump at 60 and crowd will follow and price will settle at around 50.
now they can buy back 12,000 at 50 from that sales proceeds. eventually price goes upto 100

If you consider the broker charges the profits would be
1- buy 80 sell 60 10000 shares = -215680
2- buy 50 sell 100 12000 shares = 579840
overall profit = 364160

where are if you sell at 100 the 10,000 you had from 80 you'll only make 179840.
So we can see that manipulators has made a huge profit from the foolish retailers.

Thanks Xhora for the well executed reply with an example. Quite understood and got that idea into my system.

Although it is a risky venture may be very same people jacking up the prices so that others to think that shares prices are moving up and making them to take a hasty decision to buy it.

I have noticed these trading patterns when one share is on upward trend then suddenly somebody put a lower bid to bring the price down. Then for a while the share prices are sliding down and then suddenly make upward move at a faster phase and then stops at a high point. The guys who bought at the high point will have pay the price for the tricks of these so called "Manipulators".

30Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:35 pm

mono


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

I'm not sure if this is manipulation. SINS was pure manipulations. Someone wanted to exit at 130. the brokerages sensed an opportunity. So every brokerage bought enmasse at that price. All of my brokerages called/texted me asking me to buy heavily at 130. then they pushed the stock in the morning and dumped at 150+. good profits under 24hrs.

31Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:16 pm

ipoguru


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Intrinsic wrote:
hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?


Even 100 Maruties join and try to overtake a Hummer its almost impossible. But there is a way. We can sell our 100 Maruties and buy a Ferrari racing car (every one of us own part of the Ferrari) it can easily overtake the Hummer.

Ferrari is called a Hedge fund. If 1000 of us can join together and put 1 million each we can have a 1 billion rupee hedge fund.

I am always in for this kind of idea. Hardly I get any positive replies for these kind of ideas.

I am thinking Am I stupid or others are stupid?

I wish if I could find 1000 people who likes this idea. At least 100.

Together we can win. Individually we will loose day by day. Of course few scavengers will also win but on average we will loose.

32Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:40 pm

pushpakumara


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

It is upto genuine buyers and sellers not to get carried away by tricks of these highway robbers although it is difficult do it than say.

33Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:45 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

ipoguru wrote:
Intrinsic wrote:
hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?


Even 100 Maruties join and try to overtake a Hummer its almost impossible. But there is a way. We can sell our 100 Maruties and buy a Ferrari racing car (every one of us own part of the Ferrari) it can easily overtake the Hummer.

Ferrari is called a Hedge fund. If 1000 of us can join together and put 1 million each we can have a 1 billion rupee hedge fund.

I am always in for this kind of idea. Hardly I get any positive replies for these kind of ideas.

I am thinking Am I stupid or others are stupid?

I wish if I could find 1000 people who likes this idea. At least 100.

Together we can win. Individually we will loose day by day. Of course few scavengers will also win but on average we will loose.

Great idea !!! Can anyone suggest how to make it to operational level ??

34Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:23 pm

TuskerLK

TuskerLK
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

ipoguru wrote:
Intrinsic wrote:
hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?


Even 100 Maruties join and try to overtake a Hummer its almost impossible. But there is a way. We can sell our 100 Maruties and buy a Ferrari racing car (every one of us own part of the Ferrari) it can easily overtake the Hummer.

Ferrari is called a Hedge fund. If 1000 of us can join together and put 1 million each we can have a 1 billion rupee hedge fund.

I am always in for this kind of idea. Hardly I get any positive replies for these kind of ideas.

I am thinking Am I stupid or others are stupid?

I wish if I could find 1000 people who likes this idea. At least 100.

Together we can win. Individually we will loose day by day. Of course few scavengers will also win but on average we will loose.

good but then each amy try to starty gamble not to invest, isn't it

35Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:25 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Totally agreed! but how can we invest with gamblerz Razz

36Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:36 pm

ipoguru


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

stumpy wrote:
ipoguru wrote:
Intrinsic wrote:
hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?


Even 100 Maruties join and try to overtake a Hummer its almost impossible. But there is a way. We can sell our 100 Maruties and buy a Ferrari racing car (every one of us own part of the Ferrari) it can easily overtake the Hummer.

Ferrari is called a Hedge fund. If 1000 of us can join together and put 1 million each we can have a 1 billion rupee hedge fund.

I am always in for this kind of idea. Hardly I get any positive replies for these kind of ideas.

I am thinking Am I stupid or others are stupid?

I wish if I could find 1000 people who likes this idea. At least 100.

Together we can win. Individually we will loose day by day. Of course few scavengers will also win but on average we will loose.

Great idea !!! Can anyone suggest how to make it to operational level ??

Lets start by checking how many persons from this forum get interested.
I have created a spread sheet. Please fill it to show your willingness.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&hl=en_US&key=t-ekS7yxpMs6tnyly_XlbnQ&hl=en_US#

37Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:41 pm

kam2011


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Dear ipoguru, Similar thing is happening in SMLL too. PL. look at the buy order pattern.

38Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:52 pm

TuskerLK

TuskerLK
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

I'm becoming more and more passionate about rajitha's post, he put out the facts in a nice way.

39Great manipulation - Page 2 Empty Re: Great manipulation Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:51 pm

ishnet

ishnet
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

ipoguru wrote:
stumpy wrote:
ipoguru wrote:
Intrinsic wrote:
hunter wrote:Guys,

Can we think about ways of outsmarting these manipulators?
In order to win;
Should we fight them OR
should we join them?

My theory is (When driving my car) if you want to overtake someone, first you have follow him.

Good theory! But the problem is that a Maruti can hardly overtake a Hummer !

better join ! But how ?


Even 100 Maruties join and try to overtake a Hummer its almost impossible. But there is a way. We can sell our 100 Maruties and buy a Ferrari racing car (every one of us own part of the Ferrari) it can easily overtake the Hummer.

Ferrari is called a Hedge fund. If 1000 of us can join together and put 1 million each we can have a 1 billion rupee hedge fund.

I am always in for this kind of idea. Hardly I get any positive replies for these kind of ideas.

I am thinking Am I stupid or others are stupid?

I wish if I could find 1000 people who likes this idea. At least 100.

Together we can win. Individually we will loose day by day. Of course few scavengers will also win but on average we will loose.

Great idea !!! Can anyone suggest how to make it to operational level ??

Lets start by checking how many persons from this forum get interested.
I have created a spread sheet. Please fill it to show your willingness.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?pli=1&hl=en_US&key=t-ekS7yxpMs6tnyly_XlbnQ&hl=en_US#

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