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Wolf Of CSE


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Manager - Equity Analytics
Whats up with these two ??? BLI is supposed to show an uptrend due to the subdivision and here we have SFL , ideas please?

stockback


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Wolf Of CSE wrote:Whats up with these two ??? BLI is supposed to show an uptrend due to the subdivision and here we have SFL , ideas please?


manipulators not ready yet. maybe they will used two, three days only. will see

maybe tomorrow panic selling on these counters

I can see Karuna doing Demotions that means he and his clients wants to collect at cheap level (Karuna should be Broker Boy)

will see....

Shan1039


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
Everybody has lost faith on these stocks due to excessive promotion by some idiots and they havy suspision and afraid to buy wisdom is responsible

Chinwi

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නැගිල්ල නැවතුනේ කොටසක සත්‍ය අගය රුපියල් 18.90  වන ව්‍යාපාරයක කොටස් ක්‍රම ක්‍රමයෙන් නොවටිනා ගණන් වලට කවුරුන් හෝ සංවිධානාත්මක ලෙස නැංවූවා දැයි ඇතිවෙන සැකය මත වෙන්න පුලුවන්. මේ ෆෝරම් එකේත් මහා කන්දොස්කිරියාවක් වෙනකම් මේක නටවන්න පටන් ගත්ත නේ.

තවමත් මෙහි අවසාන වාර්තාගත සත්‍ය අගය book value 18.90 කි. (BLI) දැනට මිනිසුන් විසින් එය රුපියල් 136.00 ක් එනම් 7 ගුණයක් වැඩියෙන් දී මිලට ගනිති.
ඒ අප නොදන්නා අමුතූම අගයක් එහි ඇතැයි යන ප්‍රචාරය නිසා ම නොවේ. අපි හිතන්නේ මහා ප්‍රචාර වලට රැවටී මේ කොටස් ගන්නේ අහිංසකයින්   කියාය​.
එසේ ගන්න අයත් ඕනෑ තරම් ඇති  ඇති.

නමුත් මේ අවස්ථාවේදී  වැඩියෙන් සිදුවන්නේ මාස 5-6 කට පෙර සිට 30, 40, 50 , 55 ට කොටස් ලක්‍ෂ ගානක් එකතු කරන ලද අය වත්මන් මිලට මෙය වටින්නේ නැති බව දැන දැනම සුළු කොටස් ප්‍රමාන වලින් ඉහල මිලට ගැනීමය​. pushing up

උදා : 40/- ට 100,000 ක් ගත්ත කෙනෙක් ගේ වැය 4,000,000.

ඔහු මේ සතියේ කොටස් 2000 ක් 120/-, 130/-, 140/- ට සම සම ගත්තා නම් එහි වැය 130 x 2000 = 260,000 කි.
දැන් ඔහුගේ සමස්ථ වැය 4,260,000 යි.
තවමත් ඔහුගේ කොටසක වැය 4,260,000 / 102,000 = 41.70 යි!
ඔහුගේ    පුම් බන ලද අස්ථිර වෙළෙඳපොල වටිනාකම 13.2 මිලියන් . කෝටි 1.3 යි.

ඔහු 130 ට ගත්ත කොටසක්   නැවත 50 ට බැස්සත් ඔහුට බයක් නෑ.  
ඒත් ඔහුට 50-42 = 8 x 102,000 = 816,000 ක් ලාභයි !

නමුත් මේ ටික ටික නග්ගන  නැග්ගිල්ල බලන් සිටි වෙන කෙනෙක් කොටස් 10,000 ක් 130 ට ගන්නේ නම් ඔහුගේ වියදම 1,300,000 .
50 ට බැස්සොත් ඔහුගේ පාඩුව
130 - 50 = 80 x 10,000 = 800,000 යි !
 

Jon_Snow


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an eye opener !! thanks chinwi

fireshelter

fireshelter
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Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy buy when others sell Today is last day at this price cheers cheers cheers

karuna


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Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@fireshelter wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy  buy when others sell Today is last day at this price cheers cheers cheers
I remember your asco 100 it's so darkness same like
Now .
Someone like go to dangerous jurassic park world  .It's so darkness . Aduraa gilanawa. 

fireshelter

fireshelter
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Aiyyo karuna Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

GameUP1030

GameUP1030
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Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@fireshelter wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy  Aiyyo karuna Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
many like to read and post SFL but many cant wait till its uptrend, starting to tell promoting, be careful,  that thing, this thing.................. Evil or Very Mad

10SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:51 am

pjrngroup


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Senior Equity Analytic
@Chinwi wrote:නැගිල්ල නැවතුනේ කොටසක සත්‍ය අගය රුපියල් 18.90  වන ව්‍යාපාරයක කොටස් ක්‍රම ක්‍රමයෙන් නොවටිනා ගණන් වලට කවුරුන් හෝ සංවිධානාත්මක ලෙස නැංවූවා දැයි ඇතිවෙන සැකය මත වෙන්න පුලුවන්. මේ ෆෝරම් එකේත් මහා කන්දොස්කිරියාවක් වෙනකම් මේක නටවන්න පටන් ගත්ත නේ.

තවමත් මෙහි අවසාන වාර්තාගත සත්‍ය අගය book value 18.90 කි. (BLI) දැනට මිනිසුන් විසින් එය රුපියල් 136.00 ක් එනම් 7 ගුණයක් වැඩියෙන් දී මිලට ගනිති.
ඒ අප නොදන්නා අමුතූම අගයක් එහි ඇතැයි යන ප්‍රචාරය නිසා ම නොවේ. අපි හිතන්නේ මහා ප්‍රචාර වලට රැවටී මේ කොටස් ගන්නේ අහිංසකයින්   කියාය​.
එසේ ගන්න අයත් ඕනෑ තරම් ඇති  ඇති.

නමුත් මේ අවස්ථාවේදී  වැඩියෙන් සිදුවන්නේ මාස 5-6 කට පෙර සිට 30, 40, 50 , 55 ට කොටස් ලක්‍ෂ ගානක් එකතු කරන ලද අය වත්මන් මිලට මෙය වටින්නේ නැති බව දැන දැනම සුළු කොටස් ප්‍රමාන වලින් ඉහල මිලට ගැනීමය​. pushing up

උදා : 40/- ට 100,000 ක් ගත්ත කෙනෙක් ගේ වැය 4,000,000.

ඔහු මේ සතියේ කොටස් 2000 ක් 120/-, 130/-, 140/- ට සම සම ගත්තා නම් එහි වැය 130 x 2000 = 260,000 කි.
දැන් ඔහුගේ සමස්ථ වැය 4,260,000 යි.
තවමත් ඔහුගේ කොටසක වැය 4,260,000 / 102,000 = 41.70 යි!
ඔහුගේ    පුම් බන ලද අස්ථිර වෙළෙඳපොල වටිනාකම 13.2 මිලියන් . කෝටි 1.3 යි.

ඔහු 130 ට ගත්ත කොටසක්   නැවත 50 ට බැස්සත් ඔහුට බයක් නෑ.  
ඒත් ඔහුට 50-42 = 8 x 102,000 = 816,000 ක් ලාභයි !

නමුත් මේ ටික ටික නග්ගන  නැග්ගිල්ල බලන් සිටි වෙන කෙනෙක් කොටස් 10,000 ක් 130 ට ගන්නේ නම් ඔහුගේ වියදම 1,300,000 .
50 ට බැස්සොත් ඔහුගේ පාඩුව
130 - 50 = 80 x 10,000 = 800,000 යි !
 
Dear Chinwi, I follow your post regularly, but fortunately i can't read Sinhala, but can talk, can't you post this in English please, kind request. thank  you.

11SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:55 am

karuna


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Wolf Of CSE wrote:Whats up with these two ??? BLI is supposed to show an uptrend due to the subdivision and here we have SFL , ideas please?
Sfl be careful suddenly it will be 12// 20
So wait time will come sometime huge selling perches will increase

12SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:28 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
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for pjrngroup

I tried to make a summary but add some more :

Rising of prices ceased may be due to: People starting to suspect some organized crooks pushing this up to unrealistic levels.
A share with book worth just Rs. 19.80 is trading @ 130/- , 7 times of its net worth. People saw huge promotion even in this forum but no one disclosed any valid reason.

Actually I think those who buy at 130 s are not just innocent people who take the bait from promoters and some fellows in broker  firms.

At this moment, main buyers are the same people who collected this share in big quantities at 40/- 50/- levels few months ago.
What they do is buying few shares at high prices  to keep the upward momentum. Sometimes between their own accounts . (  husband - wife or girlfriend's aunt)  Even  buy from outsiders, they are not afraid if the share they buy @ 130 dropped to 50s next day.
Still they are in profit.

Eg. Say someone collected 100,000 shares @ 40/-
His investment is 4,000,000.00

Now he buys 2000 @ 130/- .
His expenditure is 260,000.00

His total investment is 4,260,000/-

His cost per share is 4,260,000 / 102,000 = 41.76 !

His unrealistic asset value = 4,260,000 x 130 = 13.20 million
He doesn't care if the share he bought @ 130/- fell to 50 /-

Still he is in profits.
50-41.76 x 102,000 = 8 laks profit

But , suppose some new one , watching this upward drama using his hard earned money bought 10,000 shares @ 130/-

If the share fell to 50/-  ,

his loss is 130 - 50 x 10,000 = 8 laks.

First fellow still earns 8 laks , new man losses 8 laks.

That is why we should be vigilant and think 1000 times before buying (in big quantities)   when a share skyrocketed in shorter period of time , with no industry accepted, valid reasons.

Thanhaya jayathi soko - Greediness brings sorrow
Thanhaya jayathi bhayan - Greediness brings fear*
Thanhaya wippa muththassa naththi soko khutho bhayan -
If no greediness no sorrow, no fear  
- Buddha

Greediness = excessive desire to acquire money or possess things

* How Greediness brings fear = When you buy a share at very high price you are in great fear, day and night , of falling value and losing your money until you dispose it.  

How Greediness brings sorrow - If a share you bought blindly due to excessive greediness fell sharply to its real value , you lose your hard earned money and it brings you sorrow .


In the share market you must get rid of your  fear of buying and should collect enough shares at the correct time / prices  and also control excessive greediness to evade  buying blindly at risky levels. - Chinwi

13SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 8:57 am

Teller

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BLI has the another scenario, thats not based on fundemental value. Its based on the owner ship. Last year gamage family hold 88% but this year increased to 94%.
BLI major 20 holders hold 99.4% only.
Its crystal clear the collection is going on for remaining shares.
On other hand BLIs Loans and advances to customers near to 3.8 billion now.
This will genArate a huge interest income.
Only smart inbestors can see this.
Its not previous BLI. Its a total different scenario at the moment.


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14SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:25 am

fireshelter

fireshelter
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Wait & See coming Days and With result what going to happen

15SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:24 am

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@fireshelter wrote:Wait & See coming Days and With result what going to happen


Anybody can guess what they are upto.

If BLI report Rs. 10 EPS for this qtr
then
they will show 10 x 4 x 10PER = 400/- value for the share and try to take it over 200.

But this valuation is completely wrong.
We have to consider the asset value of a share. If they get 10/- EPS and with a dividend, book value will be 25-28 Rupees.
Other thing with the finance companies, their assets are with debtors. There is a considerable risk of defaulting if economy fell and/or natural calamities such as drought / heavy floods etc.

16SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:44 am

otara

otara
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
@Chinwi wrote:
@fireshelter wrote:Wait & See coming Days and With result what going to happen


Anybody can guess what they are upto.

If BLI report Rs. 10 EPS for this qtr
then
they will show 10 x 4 x 10PER = 400/- value for the share and try to take it over 200.

But this valuation is completely wrong.
We have to consider the asset value of a share. If they get 10/- EPS and with a dividend, book value will be 25-28 Rupees.  
Other thing with the finance companies,   their assets are with debtors. There is a considerable risk of defaulting if economy fell and/or natural calamities such as drought / heavy floods etc.

well said Chinwi. Moreover, BLI which is mainly exposed to microfinancing may have a greater risk of defaults due to natural disasters. Their clientele comprise of farmers and household entrepreneurs who are vulnerable in high proportions.

17SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:06 pm

Teller

Teller
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Its not previous BLI. Now BLI owns 28% of SFL. think about that also. and remember how COCR became rich...its because of this business.


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18SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:11 pm

otara

otara
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
what is the wow factor with SFL? What does that add to BLI? For me SFL along is a small budding finance company and it doesnt mean a big deal to BLI

19SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:57 pm

Teller

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For me there are lot of WOW factors. I understood its values from begining. Thats why i baught BLI below 55 and baught SFL below 19. So i have earned millions unrealized profit but i never sell these shares with in next two years. I know the real value of these shares.
When i baught LFIN around 34/-, people laugh at me but i sold it 400plus levels.


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20SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Empty Re: SFL /BLI Huge selling ,Whats going on Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:10 pm

Wolf Of CSE


Manager - Equity Analytics
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@Teller wrote:For me there are lot of WOW factors. I understood its values from begining. Thats why i baught BLI below 55 and baught SFL below 19.  So i have earned millions unrealized profit but  i never sell these shares with in next two years. I know the real value of these shares.
When i baught LFIN around 34/-, people laugh at me but i sold it 400plus levels.
So it seems like your not sure about a short term run?  Neutral Neutral

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