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61FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:22 pm

A+


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
Thanks Chinwi. So now the rates are high because effectively no collateral and to cover the risks. And payments are high because of daily visit of the collectors and the fear of loss of pride.

62FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:31 pm

EquityChamp


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Chinwi, you have highlighted an important aspect. So this business model is low risk and effective as per your explanation. What is your idea.

63FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:30 pm

troy


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This is Blood Money... As I raised earlier, how can they sustain their huge yield??? Once people get to know this?

64FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:03 pm

Chinwi


Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Actually these methods are used by many unlisted FC s and unlisted susbs of some listed FCs also.


Yes, in contrast to popular belief of high risk type, this has become a very low risk lucrative blood sucking business for these Finance companies.

They use very justifiable looking ways to do this.
In addition to 6 month system, another very popular model is One month loan.

---- ---
I am developing a small plantation in Dry zone and used to go to a small 'Tea kade' in that small town.

We used to chat with  Mudalali during tea time and I get chances to observe how these Finance people are hunting in the area.
-----


Another very popular model is get 10,000 pay 500 .
They give 10,000 and you have to pay just 500 per day for one month.

When I asked why pay like this , they always say,
"මේ වැඩේ හරි වාසියි ලේසියි මහත්තය​. දවසට 500 යි නෙ දෙන්න වෙන්නෙ දහදාහකටම. මාසෙන් ගෙවල ඉවරයි. ඒක හරියට ගෙවන නිසා  ඊළඟ මාසෙට තව 10,000 ක්  ගන්න පුලුවන්.  ඇප තියන්න ඕනැත් නෑ. "
But the FC guys were taught to select the places where they can see assets more than the loan amounts.
"ගෙවන්න බැරිම දවසක් ආවොත් බයිසිකලේ තියල ගෙවල පස්සෙ බේරගන්න පුලුවන් "

So you see this is almost no risk.

In this way they use same 10,000 to offer every month.
The gross return p.m. is 500 x 30 = 15,000.
Gross Profit 15,000- 10,000 = 5000 pm.
5000 x 12 = 60,000 per year.

I am scared to write   capital employed, when I see the return. (60,000) . Is it 10,000 or 120,000 ?

I think it is 10,000 because that is the amount released by FC accounts at the beginning of the year.

Then, what is the % of return 60,000 for capital of 10,000 ?

Usually they select at least 20 people in a small town for the scheme. Collector comes in MoBike covering many villages each day.

Hence paying for his transport and salary is well supported by the very high return.


--- --

When I need extra worker or two I ask that Mudalali to send someone.
Most of the times he himself comes to work assigning his wife to look-after the shop.
He works hard whole day in hot Sun  to get 1000/- in the evening.
I was wondering why.
Lated I found , they also have obtained loans and have to pay 5000/- fortnight and also 1000 per day.  Since the earnings from shop are not enough to pay  back loans he has to work as a labourer.
Loans were used to add more goods to the shop. But they are not capable enough to understand 10% return from sales are not matching the very high loan interest.
This is continuing. As soon as they escape from a loan at the end of a period they get another one.

At the beginning I also thought these FCs cannot continue like this , when people came to know they may reject or go for banks etc. But, now I think they can play this some more time due to business models they use.

( මේ වැඩේ හරි වාසියි ලේසියි මහත්තය​. දවසට 500 යි නෙ දෙන්න වෙන්නෙ. දහදාහකටම​. මාසෙන් ගෙවල ඉවරයි. ඒක හරියට ගෙවන නිසා  ඊළඟ මාසෙට තව 10,000 ක්  ගන්න පුලුවන්.  ඇප තියන්න ඕනැත් නෑ. )  ... and I think these interest calculations are bit complex them to understand . So they will go for the easy way. 500 per day . "හවසට අරක්කු බාගයක් ගත්තත් ඊට වඩා යනවනෙ මහත්තයා. "


This is why I do not buy shares of these FC s even I see profit making opportunities because I see how they make money. I feel sorry for the people in those villages.

65FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:07 pm

EquityChamp


Moderator
Moderator
Very informative and open up an area that we didn't know happening in another part of the island. Now my concern is how BLI doing this very effectively than the other peer companies. They are far ahead even compared to their sister company, SFL. How they are doing it is a puzzle for me.

66FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 22, 2016 8:43 pm

Chinwi

Chinwi
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@EquityChamp wrote:Very informative and open up an area that we didn't know happening in another part of the island. Now my concern is how BLI doing this very effectively than the other peer companies. They are far ahead even compared to their sister company, SFL. How they are doing it is a puzzle for me.

EC, I am not sure but I think Sinhaputra as an old venture was doing much conventional business and was catering different set of clients.

I have no idea of the current situation, if they are linked to Bimputh.

BTW, other than what we discussed I feel there could be some other hidden things in their (BLI) accounting and shown expenses.

Here I remember an old days talk we heard about Ceylinco group's listed finance companies.
- manipulating expenses between each other to show high growth for the selected share. (In 1980s 90 s there was a person who always explaining this openly at the trading floor , instructing us not to buy those stocks )

67FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:51 pm

csebrowser


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
Thanks chinwi and equity champ....very informative...me too always away form this F C shares...

68FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:13 am

EquityChamp

EquityChamp
Moderator
Moderator
This has been very productive so far. One thing missing here is the views of Teller, one of the strong believer of BLI.

Teller, we are waiting for your view on the said subject matter. We are discussing how BLI earns twice of the interest income than the average of the industry itself.

69FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:53 pm

Joe007


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
I agree with Chinwi's points on BLI but I have no trust on both SFL & BLI because BLI have been a stake holder of SFL for long time so BLI was watching or supporting firm manupulation on SFL financial statements continuously.

Only 1,081,358 shares left for buyers apart from top 20 share holders at BLI. so why the hell we have to show interest on this share like others. Someone is holding higher quantities and helping for manupulation. On the other hand, it may be producing very high earnings among others but my question is for how long???? So what about others?? Fools??? Or others financial companies do not know the business in rural area???

My opinion is Daya Gamage is not a responsible business person or respectable person. He is just an ordinary business person to make money from scratch regardless of any ethics. He is fully responsible on SFL manupulation financial statements. It doesn't matter that he and his wife are ministers currently but to me they are bloody fraud and they have not got caught yet. The SEC has not taken action on SFL because of Daya Gamage's political involvement. Daya Gamage shouldn't be a politician or business person either.

70FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 pm

Joe007


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Guys,
My conclusion is , there is seriously something wrong on both BLI & SFL.

Never think that Mr. Gamage or Mr.Wijeratne family involved and these shares will rock. This is speculation only not in real. Also they are here to make money and not for social work. Also do Gamage family enough time to serve the nation or to look after their financial institutions???? To me this is like making dirty money using politics. So what will happen if Dammikka Perera , Harry Jayawardena, etc.....involved in politics like Gamage???????? Will you accept?? I don't think that it is appropriate in country like Srilanka where there is no genuine financial control.

I am sure that there are many opportunities to make very very good money on buying and selling due to manupulation. If you are involved, my advice is take the profit and stay away. My speculation is that BLI is going to suffer enormously comparing SFL anytime soon.

This can be an example of TWOD.N. But here is the situation is quite different. I believe the share price will fall heavily when something start to burst Due to manupulation and pumping too. I can see pump and dump will really work on SFL & BLI in the CSE very successfully. SFL may be in deep trouble if there is a setup like TWOD.N. In this case Mr.Gamage can simply escape not having the full control. At this stage share price only will be affected very very seriously and not end like TWOD.N.

The economic conditions are not that much favour at the moment so we must be careful to avoid unnecessary losses. On the hand, it seems to be that BLI is a real gambling and SFL is very highly over valued. Both are very very dangerous if we have not entered within the safe zone. There are many opportunities and safe investment in the CSE.

71FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:42 pm

EquityChamp

EquityChamp
Moderator
Moderator
Well. Another aspect to look at how these companies fund the loans and advances. In case BLI, they have borrowed heavily to give loans to customers. Which means they are riding on significant finance risk.

72FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:26 am

EquityChamp

EquityChamp
Moderator
Moderator
So Teller is still unattended for our discussion. We are waiting to hear from you.

73FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:07 am

chamil1


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
BLI's borrowings is not a problem. Even if they get it from a Bank and give loans at a reasonably higher rate is ok (said that to make my point clear only). Important thing is the loans given by them (quality, risk, quantity, etc).


@EquityChamp wrote:Well. Another aspect to look at how these companies fund the loans and advances. In case BLI, they have borrowed heavily to give loans to customers. Which means they are riding on significant finance risk.

74FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:08 pm

EquityChamp

EquityChamp
Moderator
Moderator
So where is our Teller. I am pretty sure that he has read this thread enough but why isn't he joining? May be he is no more in BLI which is I don't know.

75FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:41 pm

wisdom79

wisdom79
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
CIFL,TFC,PCHH,LCEM ARE SOME OF THE COMPANIES JUST TRADING ON NO ANY SPECIAL ACTION, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SFL AND BLI IS MUCH BETTER THAN THEM.

SFL HAS A LONG HISTORY AND IN ITS REPORT THEY ARE SHOWING US ITS VALUE.

IF YOU HAVE SFL, YOU WILL SAY THAT SFL IS  GOOD BUT YOU WILL NEVER SEE ITS REPORT.

ONLY THING I CAN TELL IS THAT SFL WILL MOVE ABOVE 25, THEN YOU WILL SAY SFL IS UNDERVALUED.

THIS REPORT YOU WILL SEE EPS IS 2.50 AND NAV IS 20.82.......BUT YOU WILL TELL THAT SFL IS MANIPULATION, BUT I BELIEVE SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY YOU MUST HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

WITHIN A FEW DAYS YOU WILL SEE THAT SFL IS TRADING AT 25. THEN YOU WILL BUY IT.

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS AND YOU WILL SEE ITS VALUE. ALL THE GAMBLERS ARE WAITING UNTIL A SHARE MOVES AND THEN THEY BUY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY AT RISK LEVEL.....!

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS...YOU WILL ENJOY BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT AND LOOKERS WILL SUFFER!

THIS IS ONLY MY IDEA, SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY TO BUY AND ENJOY.......FEW SHARES AND SURE PROFIT....!

BUYERS ARE WINNERS, LOOKERS ARE SUFFERS! BE A PLAYER, NOT A SPECTATOR!

76FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:59 pm

Yahapalanaya

Yahapalanaya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
@wisdom79 wrote:CIFL,TFC,PCHH,LCEM ARE SOME OF THE COMPANIES JUST TRADING ON NO ANY SPECIAL ACTION, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SFL AND BLI IS MUCH BETTER THAN THEM.

SFL HAS A LONG HISTORY AND IN ITS REPORT THEY ARE SHOWING US ITS VALUE.

IF YOU HAVE SFL, YOU WILL SAY THAT SFL IS  GOOD BUT YOU WILL NEVER SEE ITS REPORT.

ONLY THING I CAN TELL IS THAT SFL WILL MOVE ABOVE 25, THEN YOU WILL SAY SFL IS UNDERVALUED.

THIS REPORT YOU WILL SEE EPS IS 2.50 AND NAV IS 20.82.......BUT YOU WILL TELL THAT SFL IS MANIPULATION, BUT I BELIEVE SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY YOU MUST HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

WITHIN A FEW DAYS YOU WILL SEE THAT SFL IS TRADING AT 25. THEN YOU WILL BUY IT.

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS AND YOU WILL SEE ITS VALUE. ALL THE GAMBLERS ARE WAITING UNTIL A SHARE MOVES AND THEN THEY BUY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY AT RISK LEVEL.....!

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS...YOU WILL ENJOY BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT AND LOOKERS WILL SUFFER!

THIS IS ONLY MY IDEA, SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY TO BUY AND ENJOY.......FEW SHARES AND SURE PROFIT....!

BUYERS ARE WINNERS, LOOKERS ARE SUFFERS! BE A PLAYER, NOT A SPECTATOR!
Macho we are missing you!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

77FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:06 am

SLBOY


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Yahapalanaya wrote:
@wisdom79 wrote:CIFL,TFC,PCHH,LCEM ARE SOME OF THE COMPANIES JUST TRADING ON NO ANY SPECIAL ACTION, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT SFL AND BLI IS MUCH BETTER THAN THEM.

SFL HAS A LONG HISTORY AND IN ITS REPORT THEY ARE SHOWING US ITS VALUE.

IF YOU HAVE SFL, YOU WILL SAY THAT SFL IS  GOOD BUT YOU WILL NEVER SEE ITS REPORT.

ONLY THING I CAN TELL IS THAT SFL WILL MOVE ABOVE 25, THEN YOU WILL SAY SFL IS UNDERVALUED.

THIS REPORT YOU WILL SEE EPS IS 2.50 AND NAV IS 20.82.......BUT YOU WILL TELL THAT SFL IS MANIPULATION, BUT I BELIEVE SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY YOU MUST HAVE AT THE MOMENT.

WITHIN A FEW DAYS YOU WILL SEE THAT SFL IS TRADING AT 25. THEN YOU WILL BUY IT.

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS AND YOU WILL SEE ITS VALUE. ALL THE GAMBLERS ARE WAITING UNTIL A SHARE MOVES AND THEN THEY BUY AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY AT RISK LEVEL.....!

NOW BUY SFL AND HOLD ON A FEW DAYS...YOU WILL ENJOY BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT AND LOOKERS WILL SUFFER!

THIS IS ONLY MY IDEA, SFL IS THE BEST COMPANY TO BUY AND ENJOY.......FEW SHARES AND SURE PROFIT....!

BUYERS ARE WINNERS, LOOKERS ARE SUFFERS! BE A PLAYER, NOT A SPECTATOR!
Macho we are missing you!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Hey Brother

Don't say like that. Becz tomorrow will fire and hammer SFL to the moon. Not in CSE but in all topics of this forum.

78FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:17 pm

wisdom79

wisdom79
Vice President - Equity Analytics
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BLI HAS GIVEN A DIVIDEND, YOU ARE JUST CHATTING HERE, BUT EVEN SFL IS ALSO THE BEST ONE, CHEATING PEOPLE, SOME ONE STOLE YOUR SHARES. WHEN YOU SELL FOR LOST ANOTHER WILL BENEFIT FROM IT, EVEN SFL ALSO WILL OFFER A HUGE DIVIDEND. THEN ALL WILL BE SILENT, NEVER BELIEVE WHEN DOGS BARK.

SFL WILL BE THE BEST BUYN AND HOLD!

79FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:21 pm

hiransilva23


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Awa awa awa pachoris aith awa.WISDOM79 aluthen promote karana mukut nadda machan?????tama sfl da?????

80FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:49 pm

SLBOY


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Ane itin me SFL topic eke fun gan natiwa, apitath oka aragena hira wennada kiyanne.

81FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:07 pm

Ok One


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Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
SFL Issara promote karapu huga denek ada sadda ne.
A Athin Wisdam Good...
I wish u all the best dear......
I love you I love you I love you

82FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:48 pm

SLBOY


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Thats ture. wisodm kawadawath harena harena paththata giye na. butThere was a period some people talk so much of positive factors about the insurance company, then hospitality and then finance company. As per analysis brought by them those are life time valuable shares. now life time valuable become only firbre business.

okata niyama sinhalen kiyanne " kanna ona unama kabaragoyath , thalagoya wenawa kiyalai.

83FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:50 pm

SLBOY


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Thats ture. wisodm kawadawath harena harena paththata giye na. butThere was a period some people talk so much of positive factors about the insurance company, then hospitality and then finance company. As per analysis brought by them those are life time valuable shares. now life time valuable become only firbre business.

okata niyama sinhalen kiyanne " kanna ona unama kabaragoyath , thalagoya wenawa kiyalai.

84FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:52 pm

Ok One


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil I love you I love you I love you

85FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:54 pm

SLBOY


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Thats ture. wisodm kawadawath harena harena paththata giye na. butThere was a period some people talk so much of positive factors about the insurance company, then hospitality and then finance company. As per analysis brought by them those are life time valuable shares. now life time valuable become only firbre business.

okata niyama sinhalen kiyanne " kanna ona unama kabaragoyath , thalagoya wenawa kiyalai.

86FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:39 am

EquityChamp

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Discussion is way over. What are your views on high interest rate yield of BLI and their accounting treatment for that. Are they jacking-up the profits using some accounting jilmarts? And on top of that here they declare a dividend too. Now public will be very much enthusiastic over BLI. Isn't it?

87FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR - Page 3 Empty Re: FINANCE AND LEASING SECTOR Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:44 pm

Eng Krishantha

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@ EC,
මෙවන් පිරිස් (Harry82, SLFINANCEWATCH, ...) සමග  තර්ක කිරීම හෝ පැහැදිලි කිරීම් වලට යාමෙන් වලකින්න. මෙම ෆෝරම තුල සිටින ගොඩක් සාමාජිකයන් ඔබගේ වටිනා අදහස් වලට සහ ඔබගේ වටිනාකමට ගරු කරන්නෙමු. 

නමුත් මම ඔබගේ උදාහරණයට නම් aggree නැ (MR).

cheers cheers cheers

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WOW

BUY LFIN and get 50 % return.

Happy New Year

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@Harry82 wrote:WOW

BUY LFIN and get 50 % return.

Happy New Year


what about LOFC ?

I am sure LOCF give good returns. and very easily bcz 98.5% holding by main share holders. litle amount of stocks in the market with good buying pressure LOFC move quickly. 

dont forget still 50% discount from top price. if we consider 5.0 -5.5 as a top.

any ideas....

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