COMMERCIAL CREDIT AND FINANCE PLC (COCR.N0000)

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At chinwi oyagen ECgen godak honda dewal wenawa.e gana kata dekak na.bt strongly ogollo epa kiwwa ewa wala price up una.acap wala group eka loss kiyala kiwwata eken oyat 30% profit ekak gatta.kauru hondai ganna kiyala promote kalat oya EC wage kiwwot epa kiyala meke inna kattiya ewa balanne na.mat ehemai.me walawe cocr price up wenna posibility Ekak attema nadda??

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I agree with Chinwi's point that protection of minority interest in this country is minimal. Many lost billions of hard earned money because of lacking vitality of policies, legislation, poor monitoring, protection etc..reserving all privileges to a contained community.

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There are investors waiting for this quarter results. Most probably it results will be good and COCR will go to up. Once the price have increased the deal will take pace at Rs. 111. So i would say to buy looking at prices

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Yes, it definitely will "shoot up" after the results.

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1B+

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@stockback wrote:

@Chinwi wrote:

@stockback wrote:some old pattern thinking people. dont get the idea of these days business.

I think now old pattern, new pattern and no pattern people got clear idea about how they do 'these days business'

පහත දැක්වෙන කරුණු අද්‍යාපනික අවශ්‍යතා සඳහා පමණි.

2009-11 කාලෙ EPF එක ලවා වැඩි මිලට කොටස් අරන් මිලියන් ගානක් හෙව්ව එකයි, මාමගෙ උදව්වෙන් භාන්ඩාගාර බිල්පත් සෙල්ලම් කරල බිලියන් ගනන් හෙව්ව එකයි මෙයට(COCR sale) සමානයි.
අද විතරක් නෙවි ඒ අවස්ථා 2 දීත් අප හා තවත් අය මේ ගැන හෙලිකර ලිව්වා.

මුල් උදාහරණය:

මගේ යාලුවගෙ බැංකුවෙන් මිලියන් ගනක් ලෝන් මට ලැබෙනව. මම ඒ සල්ලි වලින් ඔය ගලදාරි, බ්ලූ වගේ ඔහේ පාවෙන කොටස් එකතු කරනව. මාස කීපයක් යනවිට මිලියන් ගානක් කොටස් අඩු මිලට එකතු වෙනව. ඉන්පසු මෙන්න ටිකෙන් ටික මිල නග්ගනව. 8 ට තිබුන එක දැන් 20, 25, 33, 38 ට වගේ යනව. මෙන්න මේ අතරේ EPF එක තීරණය කරනව ඒ කම්පැනි එක ඉහල යනව ඒ නිසා තොගයක් මිලට ගන්න.
මම ඉතින් එකතු කරපු ඔක්කොම විකුණනව. මිලියන් 200 ක් 300 ක් ලාබ ලැබනව. ඒකෙ ඇති වැරැද්දක් නෑනේ. ආයෝජනය කියන්නෙ ඒකනේ. පස්සෙ අර බැංකුණය ගෙවල දානව. වැඩේ ක්ලෝස්.

පොඩි පරහකට තියෙන්නේ අර 38 ට මිලට ගන්න ආයෝජන තීරන ගන්න EPF ටීම් එකේ මමත් සාමාජිකයෙක්. එහෙම නැත්නම් මගේ පාසල් මිතුරු කල්ලියෙ අය ඒකෙ ඉන්නව. බැංකුවෙ යාලුවත් ඉතින් ඒ කල්ලියෙම තමයි. බිග් මැච් එක දවසෙ සරා ගියොත් කට්ටියම එකට බියර් ගහනව බලන්න පුලුවන්.

දෙවනි උදාහරණේ: 2015 භාන්ඩාගාර බැඳුම්කර . ඒක ගැන අමුතුවෙන් ලියන්න ඕන නෑනේ. ආණ් ඩුව සල්ලි නෑ කියල වෙන කරන්න දෙයක් නැති නිසා බැඳුම්කර නිකුත් කරනව.
ආණ් ඩුවෙම ලංකා බැංකුවෙන් ණයක් අරන් මාමගෙ උදව්වෙන් 1 -> 10 කරල රේට් වැඩි කරල ගන්නව. ඒව ආණ් ඩුව විසින්ම පාලනය වන EPF එක ට වැඩි මිලට විකුණනව. බිලියන් ගානක් ලාබ එනව. පස්සෙ අර බැංකුණය ගෙවල දානව.

මේ හැම එකකම කොන්ෆ්ලික්ට් ඔෆ් ඉන්ටරෙස්ට් කියන දේ යටින් තියෙනව. ඇත්තටම වෙන්නෙ දෙතුන්පැත්තෙම තීරන ගන්නෙ හෝ තීරණ ගන්න බලපෑම් කලහැකි බලයෙන් ඉන්නේ එකම කෙනා හෝ එකම කණ් ඩායම.
විකුණන්නෙත් මිලට ගන්නෙත් මිල තීරණය කරන්නෙත් විකුණන අයම තමයි. හැබැයි සල්ලි අනුන් ගෙ.
ගේම ඉවර උනාම නම් අනුන් ගෙ සල්ලි මගේ වෙනව. එච්චරයි.

අපි පැත්තක ඉඳන් එක්කෝ චූන් වෙනව නැත්නම් බනිනව.

ඉහත විස්තරය අද්‍යාපනික අවශ්‍යතා සඳහා පමනකි.
මේවා නිවැරදි කරන්න හෝ නැවත නැවතත් සිදු නොවීම සඳහා ක්‍රියාකාරී වන්න හෝ මට අමාරුවක් නැත.

is he main share holder of Group Lease?

and how many stocks holding (%) please tell me

I didnt get answer yet.

I am talking about this person. "Mr. Patric Fisher"

"We also wish to inform you that Mr. Patric Fisher, non-executive director of CCF (COCR Sri Lanka) is also a non-executive director of Group Lease Public Co Ltd .(Thailand) , the holding company of GLH "

your answer will clearly give some idea to you. about this deal. if Main share holder or Group Lease. then we can expect deal no cash movement "exchange stocks each other"

Chinwi Please answer My question. if you not giving answer assume he is not main share holder of Group Lease....

then this deal is genuine one and we expecting price movement in near future.

Thank You

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@ stockback,

I did not know you explore this kind of a deal in such an immature way .

How can I say his shareholding if they hide it.
Not like here, Thai reports do not disclose those details .
Even we find out his % , how can we know the power in decision making of a man in another place ?
% of shareholding does not reveal everything, in every instance.

If you study the past of persons you may get some idea about possibilities . For eg. Budu mahesh did the big acquisitions without his name in 20 holder list. There are some rumors about Big T's purchases.

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@Chinwi,

What is your target price to buy back COCR ?

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@Chinwi wrote:@ stockback,

I did not know you explore this kind of a deal in such an immature way .

How can I say his shareholding if they hide it.
Not like here, Thai reports do not disclose those details .
Even we find out his % , how can we know the power in decision making of a man in another place ?
% of shareholding does not reveal everything, in every instance.

If you study the past of persons you may get some idea about possibilities . For eg. Budu mahesh did the big acquisitions without his name in 20 holder list. There are some rumors about Big T's purchases.

Thank you for info...

at the same time we cannot say this is negative one...

there is very good chance. this deal with money involvement.

in the past experience COCR did similar deal. I remember you mention it 500% profit for American group.

I am 100% sure this is Cash involved deal. then share price should move.

these days Market searching a direction. every thing depend on that. when Market ready COCR will move. these days another issue IS MACD. then share price will stay same level for few days. with financial report this stock move.

111, P/E and NAVP is supporting this figure.

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@ stockback,

I am 100% sure this is Cash involved deal. then share price should move.

If cash involved or not, said 10 billion is not coming to Sri Lanka or to COCR.

An American man sells his shares to another foreigner. That is all.

Actually we should not bother about it. Only reason I wrote about this was to warn our spectators about their hard earned money.
Thais should evaluate this because they are paying. The price may be OK to them. I do not know their PER for leasing. For us in SL, we all know finance/ leasing PER is stay low due to risks involved.

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@Chinwi wrote:@ stockback,

I am 100% sure this is Cash involved deal. then share price should move.

If cash involved or not, said 10 billion is not coming to Sri Lanka or to COCR.

An American man sells his shares to another foreigner. That is all.

Actually we should not bother about it. Only reason I wrote about this was to warn our spectators about their hard earned money.
Thais should evaluate this because they are paying. The price may be OK to them. I do not know their PER for leasing. For us in SL, we all know finance/ leasing PER is stay low due to risks involved.

nearly 2 Billions will come to sri lanka.....

Main share holder selling nearly 6%

Cash evaluation at 111. is very positive. at the same time profit improvement. I am sure this quarter release good result.

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I do not deny the business prospects or coming quarters results of COCR.
COCR may go ahead and even go beyond 111 some day.

Only problem is the current valuation and whether they have studied real situation of leasing business in near future years to buy this at 111 .

If they reveal the details of their calculations it will be very useful to us also. Last week an industry leader told me future is not that safe for leasing - if the economic situation prevail like this.
I also have a concern about the risk of increasing defaulters at a peak position of the graph. If you study how they do micro-financing in villages you may see a pyramid like formation. ( not only COCR)

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මම කාගෙවත් බිස්නස් වලට විරුද්ධව වත් ආදායම අඩු කරන්නවත් හදන්නෙ නැත.
මම ලියන්නේ මා හිතන ක්‍රමය.
ඒ නිසා තමයි පසුගිය වසර 5 තුල කිසිම කොටස් ආයොජනයකින් දරුණු පාඩු නොලැබුවේ.
8 ට ගත්ත එවා සමහර විට 5 ට 6 ට ටික ටික දුන්න අවස්ථා තියෙනව මුදල් හදිසි ඇති උන වෙලාවන් වලද. ඒත් ඉතාම අඩුවෙන්.

මා අත තැබූ ඒවා 75% - 80% වගේ මම ලාබ ලැබුවා. මිනිස්සුන්ට විශාල පාඩු ඇතිකර විනාස වී ගිය එක කොටසකට වත් මම අත තබල නෑ.
ඉස්සර වගේ නෙවි දැන් වැඩිය ගණන් හදන්නෙ නෑ. වෙන්න යන්නෙ මොකක් ද කියන එක නිකම් හිතට එනව. ඒ අනුව මිලට ගන්නව. මට හිතට අමුත්තක් දැනිච්ච ඒව දිහා කොච්චර හොඳ නිවුස් ආවත් බලන්නෙ වත් නෑ.
සමහර ඒව ගත්තෙ නැති නිසා එන්න තිබුන ලාබෙ නැති උන අවස්ථා තියෙනව.
නමුත් මේ ක්‍රමය නිසා බේරිල ඉන්නව කිසිම දරුණු පාඩුවක් නැතුව.

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I have enter CSE 2011 - ASI over 7000

apu dawase indan amaru kalayak udin giye.

2011 level My Knowledge is equal to zero. I learn lot from this forum and other two forums. now I am able to stand alone.

I have invest 1.8 Millions. over 6 millions withdraw. now Port-folio is more-than 10 Millions( I own)

i got profit from every stocks except SFL (I have give-up bcz rubbish promoter here. now that promoter nothing doing here and SFL start to move.)

my target COCR trading over 90 level easily with financial report and with this deal.

what i seen you not seen. what you seen I am not seen.

Good Luck. Time will define everything

if COCR drop bellow 60 level. I am happy and buy second lot. I have enough confidence about this company. this is profit growing company.

I am sure this will be catch Lfin-profit within 1-2 Years.

we will see......

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I have made millions myself since i started investing in 2009.
Made a lot from SAMP,JKH,BFL to name a few. Hopefully with COCR as well in the future.

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@stockback wrote:I have enter CSE 2011 - ASI over 7000

apu dawase indan amaru kalayak udin giye.

2011 level My Knowledge is equal to zero. I learn lot from this forum and other two forums. now I am able to stand alone.

I have invest 1.8 Millions. over 6 millions withdraw. now Port-folio is more-than 10 Millions( I own)

i got profit from every stocks except SFL (I have give-up bcz rubbish promoter here. now that promoter nothing doing here and SFL start to move.)

my target COCR trading over 90 level easily with financial report and with this deal.

what i seen you not seen. what you seen I am not seen.

Good Luck. Time will define everything

if COCR drop bellow 60 level. I am happy and buy second lot. I have enough confidence about this company. this is profit growing company.

I am sure this will be catch Lfin-profit within 1-2 Years.

we will see......

How about acap? Unloaded your qty by promoting day and night? ..

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@TARGET wrote:

@stockback wrote:I have enter CSE 2011 - ASI over 7000

apu dawase indan amaru kalayak udin giye.

2011 level My Knowledge is equal to zero. I learn lot from this forum and other two forums. now I am able to stand alone.

I have invest 1.8 Millions. over 6 millions withdraw. now Port-folio is more-than 10 Millions( I own)

i got profit from every stocks except SFL (I have give-up bcz rubbish promoter here. now that promoter nothing doing here and SFL start to move.)

my target COCR trading over 90 level easily with financial report and with this deal.

what i seen you not seen. what you seen I am not seen.

Good Luck. Time will define everything

if COCR drop bellow 60 level. I am happy and buy second lot. I have enough confidence about this company. this is profit growing company.

I am sure this will be catch Lfin-profit within 1-2 Years.

we will see......

How about acap? Unloaded your qty by promoting day and night? ..

ACAP is not my fault. something wrong in financial report. I think after few years (3-5 Years) ACAP will be good stock.

I am sure CHINWI made more money.

I expect it will move with ASI. I wish to everyone. ( I didnt make much money)

they have good project in Maldives. and some other few projects in colombo.

and also they are holding very luxury boutique hotels in sri lanka

minissunta waradina welawal thiyenawa. habai ACAP long term it will move.

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Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

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@whyzo wrote:@Chinwi,

What is your target price to buy back COCR ?

Maybe 50/= lol!

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@TARGET wrote:Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

new comers are loss realized?

how do you say like that.

nearly 80% i can say correctly. some time we also getting problems.

what i said. considering technically and ACAP portfolio. if company doing something bad then i cannot get responsibility.

is that ACAP crap share?

how many people here promote crap CIFL. what i said dont buy wait until deal done.

but I am not that position to COCR. this year you will understand about COCR. that time dont forget my word.

ruwan326 · **241** NO ONE CAN PREDICT 100% ACCURATE Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:41 am

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@stockback wrote:

@TARGET wrote:Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

new comers are loss realized?

how do you say like that.

nearly 80% i can say correctly. some time we also getting problems.

what i said. considering technically and ACAP portfolio. if company doing something bad then i cannot get responsibility.

is that ACAP crap share?

how many people here promote crap CIFL. what i said dont buy wait until deal done.

but I am not that position to COCR. this year you will understand about COCR. that time dont forget my word.

If you take CIFL and COCR we both know CIFL is a crap...............
CIFL didn't singed a deal and there was no agreement to proof.........
COCR still in same way but we saw the agreement and they might sign it in the future.....

Some times you need to take risks rather than waiting to invest safely, if you waited till COCR deal to end it already reached 100/=+ and you can not make a good profit,but if you bought COCR before the announcement and if you can hold at 54/= ++ it is a good invest.

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@ruwan326 wrote:

@stockback wrote:

@TARGET wrote:Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

new comers are loss realized?

how do you say like that.

nearly 80% i can say correctly. some time we also getting problems.

what i said. considering technically and ACAP portfolio. if company doing something bad then i cannot get responsibility.

is that ACAP crap share?

how many people here promote crap CIFL. what i said dont buy wait until deal done.

but I am not that position to COCR. this year you will understand about COCR. that time dont forget my word.

If you take CIFL and COCR we both know CIFL is a crap...............
CIFL didn't singed a deal and there was no agreement to proof.........
COCR still in same way but we saw the agreement and they might sign it in the future.....

Some times you need to take risks rather than waiting to invest safely, if you waited till COCR deal to end it already reached 100/=+ and you can not make a good profit,but if you bought COCR before the announcement and if you can hold at 54/= ++ it is a good invest.

06:52:39 & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility, so do your own research before investing and do not blame some one after you lost or invested on crap share

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@ruwan326 wrote:

@ruwan326 wrote:

@stockback wrote:

@TARGET wrote:Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

new comers are loss realized?

how do you say like that.

nearly 80% i can say correctly. some time we also getting problems.

what i said. considering technically and ACAP portfolio. if company doing something bad then i cannot get responsibility.

is that ACAP crap share?

how many people here promote crap CIFL. what i said dont buy wait until deal done.

but I am not that position to COCR. this year you will understand about COCR. that time dont forget my word.

If you take CIFL and COCR we both know CIFL is a crap...............
CIFL didn't singed a deal and there was no agreement to proof.........
COCR still in same way but we saw the agreement and they might sign it in the future.....

Some times you need to take risks rather than waiting to invest safely, if you waited till COCR deal to end it already reached 100/=+ and you can not make a good profit,but if you bought COCR before the announcement and if you can hold at 54/= ++ it is a good invest.

06:52:39 & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility, so do your own research before investing and do not blame some one after you lost or invested on crap share

according to Group Lease doc. they have sign a agreement. in that doc they haven't mention the date.

according to that agreement they has buy now. unless SEC OR SET not approved. I am sure this will be getting approval.

COCR this level bcz of ASI. now Market P/E 13

I have involve to this type activities.

example one company request P/E 10 for deeal. at that time share price and P/E =4.5
they have request 5.5 times of net Assets.

my client request 25% shares. Company doesnt like to give that much

according to knowledge this deal is genuine one.

but CIFL not.

ekathamai hari thanadi katha karanne.....

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@stockback wrote:

according to Group Lease doc. they have sign a agreement. in that doc they haven't mention the date.

according to that agreement they has buy now. unless SEC OR SET not approved. I am sure this will be getting approval.

COCR this level bcz of ASI. now Market P/E 13

I have involve to this type activities.

example one company request P/E 10 for deeal. at that time share price and P/E =4.5
they have request 5.5 times of net Assets.

my client request 25% shares. Company doesnt like to give that much

according to knowledge this deal is genuine one.

but CIFL not.

ekathamai hari thanadi katha karanne.....

Is there any restriction, law or ethics preventing stock promotion while working in a broker firm ?

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@ruwan326 wrote:

@ruwan326 wrote:

@stockback wrote:

@TARGET wrote:Chinwi may earn. But he didn't promote it to sell his qty like you stockback. What you think? How many new comers may had loss due to your promotions those days..poor fellows. .

new comers are loss realized?

how do you say like that.

nearly 80% i can say correctly. some time we also getting problems.

what i said. considering technically and ACAP portfolio. if company doing something bad then i cannot get responsibility.

is that ACAP crap share?

how many people here promote crap CIFL. what i said dont buy wait until deal done.

but I am not that position to COCR. this year you will understand about COCR. that time dont forget my word.

If you take CIFL and COCR we both know CIFL is a crap...............
CIFL didn't singed a deal and there was no agreement to proof.........
COCR still in same way but we saw the agreement and they might sign it in the future.....

Some times you need to take risks rather than waiting to invest safely, if you waited till COCR deal to end it already reached 100/=+ and you can not make a good profit,but if you bought COCR before the announcement and if you can hold at 54/= ++ it is a good invest.

06:52:39 & commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility, so do your own research before investing and do not blame some one after you lost or invested on crap share

Trading or investing in stocks
& commodities is a high risk activity. Any action you choose to take in the markets is totally your own responsibility not 06:52 ....

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