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1Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:40 pm

kaka


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
They know surely if they go for the IPO, no one will apply. So, coming to the market by way of introduction.
Friends, be carefull, Softlogic again coming to burn our entire portfolio. They think we r mad Evil or Very Mad

2Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:01 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
CIFL IPO was oversubscribed, so what made u to think that no one goin to invest in softlogic ???? Even their high priced holding company was also oversubscribed, this company is under the protection of strong Softlogic holdings... So what i personally believe is if its correctly priced people would have jump in to it, even if its over priced our silly retailers would have jumped into.

3Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:10 pm

kaka


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
investor1984, how u going to know it is not overpriced or not. When ppl applied for SHL they know it is over priced????????

4Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:18 pm

isurusampa


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
@investor1984 wrote:CIFL IPO was oversubscribed, so what made u to think that no one goin to invest in softlogic ???? Even their high priced holding company was also oversubscribed, this company is under the protection of strong Softlogic holdings... So what i personally believe is if its correctly priced people would have jump in to it, even if its over priced our silly retailers would have jumped into.

how do you say softlogic capital is overvalued.do you known the issue price.still it is not published

5Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:30 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
[quote="isurusampa"][quote="investor1984"]CIFL IPO was oversubscribed, so what made u to think that no one goin to invest in softlogic ???? Even their high priced holding company


Can u pls read what i have written.. dont post replies like blind.

6Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:34 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@kaka wrote:investor1984, how u going to know it is not overpriced or not. When ppl applied for SHL they know it is over priced????????


Aiyo its not a IPO, its a introduction. And i didnt say any where that its over priced or fairly valued... what i said was our retailers are in a such a mood that they will invest in any IPO , if its happen to be a IPO. Mate can u read carefully first???? It will help great deal

7Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:37 pm

windi5

windi5
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Do any one know the introduction price?

8Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:38 pm

isurusampa


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
[quote="investor1984"][quote="isurusampa"]
@investor1984 wrote:CIFL IPO was oversubscribed, so what made u to think that no one goin to invest in softlogic ???? Even their high priced holding company


Can u pls read what i have written.. dont post replies like blind.

this is mistake i replied for another softlofic post.ignore that.u are correct

9Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:48 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
[quote="isurusampa"][quote="investor1984"]
@isurusampa wrote:
@investor1984 wrote:CIFL IPO was oversubscribed, so what made u to think that no one goin to invest in softlogic ???? Even their high priced holding company


Can u pls read what i have written.. dont post replies like blind.

this is mistake i replied for another softlofic post.ignore that.u are correct

Its OK mate, i have done mistakes like that too. coool. May be thats why this forum need to contain posts with same topics and info.

10Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:55 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@windi5 wrote:Do any one know the introduction price?

Well i think there is no introduction price, they will just list the shares, but company will give a indicative price on the listing day.

11Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:58 pm

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
We cannot say it's over priced or not till we see their financials... With financials we can find out a fair value for this..
Intro doc is yet to publish. so save your words to see how its goin after few more days..

12Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:41 pm

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@smallville wrote:We cannot say it's over priced or not till we see their financials... With financials we can find out a fair value for this..
Intro doc is yet to publish. so save your words to see how its goin after few more days..


Well this isnt a IPO, so who cares whether its over priced or fairly valued???? Valuations dont make any sense in this market???? Smallville ... u have the access to HVA financials, current trading price... whats ur say on it?????

13Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:53 pm

Schweiger


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
Please explain how would an "Introduction" proceed??

Do the company announce first date of introducing shares to the market??

Do the company sell shares at the indicative price??

How can an investor apply for these shares???

14Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:24 pm

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
@investor1984 wrote:
@smallville wrote:We cannot say it's over priced or not till we see their financials... With financials we can find out a fair value for this..
Intro doc is yet to publish. so save your words to see how its goin after few more days..


Well this isnt a IPO, so who cares whether its over priced or fairly valued???? Valuations dont make any sense in this market???? Smallville ... u have the access to HVA financials, current trading price... whats ur say on it?????

Pretty tru.. valuations have notin sort of a value in a manipulated market.. However, what I think is, when u consider an investment buying something undervalue still make sense.. But for trading the momentum is the factor..

HVA is trading at a PE ratio way over 35 I think (Just a guess) I dont wanna go and look for financials as I know this aint worth 75 rupees. Some companies trade well over the market PE just cuz they have future potential but HVA is an awkward example for it Wink

Unless they come up with some magical Tea portion which could rejuvenize your skeleton system, there's nothing to get in HVA lol!

15Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:42 pm

capitalgain


Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic
If NIFL can start at 20+ in an introduction Laughing ....we cant be negative abt Softlogic Capital can we Mad ........I hope that all those Softlogic employees who are stuck with SHL .....will at least be given shares and to gain something ..........

16Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:57 pm

windi5

windi5
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Moderator
In SHL case there were two prices for IPO and PP. Security watch dog could consider that factor before giving ok for the IPO price. As retail investors, we also have an obligation to see every aspect before applying for any IPO.Can remember there were lots of promoters even in this forum who predicted it would hit even 50 on the first day without considering any of those factors.PP price was around 7and IPO 29. PP ppl might dump heavily on the first day making most of retailers disappointing. Still SHL struggling to reach 29. But SHL seems a good long term investment.

17Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:15 am

investor1984

investor1984
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@windi5 wrote:In SHL case there were two prices for IPO and PP. Security watch dog could consider that factor before giving ok for the IPO price. As retail investors, we also have an obligation to see every aspect before applying for any IPO.Can remember there were lots of promoters even in this forum who predicted it would hit even 50 on the first day without considering any of those factors.PP price was around 7and IPO 29. PP ppl might dump heavily on the first day making most of retailers disappointing. Still SHL struggling to reach 29. But SHL seems a good long term investment.

Personally i dont have issue with PP getting favorable treatment, bcoz they are risk takers, they invest huge amount of money in a company at its early stage risking the whole investment, retailers like us wont take that much of risk... But the issue is HUGE difference between the PP & IPO , there has to be some kind of rational behind the pricing.In the SHL case u they privately placed around Rs 8 & come to us @ 29 . that is day light robbing.

18Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:10 am

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Yes the pricing has to be rational for anyone to make an investment decision. SHL was way overpriced looking at the PP.
I'd say 25-29 for PP would have been a good price for the risk these initial investors take.. but 29 for public is a joke to me.. Evil or Very Mad

19Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:31 pm

AAABoy

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SHL SUXXXX..IT BURNT MY WHOLE PORTFOLIO Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

20Be careful - Softlogic Capital Empty Re: Be careful - Softlogic Capital Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:28 pm

SuGi

SuGi
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics
@windi5 wrote:In SHL case there were two prices for IPO and PP. Security watch dog could consider that factor before giving ok for the IPO price. As retail investors, we also have an obligation to see every aspect before applying for any IPO.Can remember there were lots of promoters even in this forum who predicted it would hit even 50 on the first day without considering any of those factors.PP price was around 7and IPO 29. PP ppl might dump heavily on the first day making most of retailers disappointing. Still SHL struggling to reach 29. But SHL seems a good long term investment.

well said Windi...Rep+

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