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41Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:15 pm

lokuayya


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

this must be independent from the forum,
spread the news meet in at a common place.not only forum members .
it can be organized regionally also .

this can grow in to very influential organization because there are many resourceful experienced professional,academics,businessmen,senior citizens involved .

42Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:21 pm

RichDad


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

This is a great idea. We have knowledgeable, experienced investors in house and already we benefit a lot through this forum with knowledge sharing. If we come up with a Union we will have more bargaining power and a voice not only against malpractices of CSE and HNWIs but also we could give our suggestions to enhance the overall quality of the CSE practices such as upgrading their web site and I can list 10 more suggestions to uplift the CSE practices from the current situ sunny

It is the greatest of all mistakes to do nothing because you can only do little - do what you can.

43Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:37 pm

Rajaraam


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Insidertrader,

Under any circumstances nothing wrong in organizing ourself as an association. We can represent sometimes Small investor Even at SEC. Not only that once we organized as small investors even media will always try to get our observations on the issues and give good publicity for our views.



Last edited by Rajaraam on Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:53 pm; edited 1 time in total

44Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:47 pm

lokuayya


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

yes , a SEC commissioner also from small investor union.

45Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:51 pm

factFINDER


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Rajaraam wrote:Insidertrader,Unded any circumstances nothing wrong for organizing ourself as an association. We can represent sometime Small investor Even at SEC. Not only that once we organized as small investors even media will always try to get our observations on the issues and give good publicity for our views.


True... I'm with you all.

46Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:56 pm

kavi84


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

This is a great idea.
I am with u.
cheers

47Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:33 pm

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

The idea is good if done with good intention. Now point to your heart and ask honestly, whether you guys and gals would have come out with a such idea if the market was on a bull run irrespective manipulation or whatsoever and if your portfolio was filling up with Rs and cents? Will anyone would raise their hands to create such a union and say we are against the manipulation and we do not need any money to be earned from such market so SEC to do something ? No right ?? I would bet not even 5% of the people who raised the hands would raise their hands on such objective. The entire this idea is coming-out just bec asue the market is down for weeks and not the comfort zone of tolerating the down trend is getting thinner and thinner. Therefore your Nurocotic brain is forcing you to find some sort of a way out at least by putting the blame on SEC.

Quibit : Your intention seems to be really in good heart manner to help the people who need to raise their voice. But please do not end yourself with 21 gun salutes on your back by blindly helping this. I do not like to see same kind of situation or troubles coming to you as happened to CSE Gossip admin as well as investnow.lk admin. Therefore always be in the safe side. My suggestions for the betterment of the site as well as your personal security are as bellow.


1. Get to know the people who raise their hands personally. Get their contact details and if possible outsource it to be checked.

2. Get some scripts done to check and store the IP addresses and the time stamp for each users post.


3. Ask for clear context of objectives, work plan, etc
4. Nominate the committee and mention that the forum is just a platform to open the voice and the forum posters should be liable to what the post. And if in case local law authority’s request, you are not hesitating to provide the details acquired at the 01 condition.

This is my personal idea and people neither need not agree with me nor think that I am 100% against with you. I feel something fishy about the original request and even with the risk of having a huge hit of negative reps, I post this for the betterment of the forum as well as Quibit.

Note : me too a small investor and would support this if above conditions are met. Prevention is better than cure.

48Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:40 pm

Academic


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

The idea alines with my mission. However, meeting physically expose our identity and may taint our ability to express objective opinions on the forum. Just my thinking!

49Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:45 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

aladdin wrote:
The idea is good if done with good intention. Now point to your heart and ask honestly, whether you guys and gals would have come out with a such idea if the market was on a bull run irrespective manipulation or whatsoever and if your portfolio was filling up with Rs and cents? Will anyone would raise their hands to create such a union and say we are against the manipulation and we do not need any money to be earned from such market so SEC to do something ? No right ?? I would bet not even 5% of the people who raised the hands would raise their hands on such objective. The entire this idea is coming-out just bec asue the market is down for weeks and not the comfort zone of tolerating the down trend is getting thinner and thinner. Therefore your Nurocotic brain is forcing you to find some sort of a way out at least by putting the blame on SEC.

Quibit : Your intention seems to be really in good heart manner to help the people who need to raise their voice. But please do not end yourself with 21 gun salutes on your back by blindly helping this. I do not like to see same kind of situation or troubles coming to you as happened to CSE Gossip admin as well as investnow.lk admin. Therefore always be in the safe side. My suggestions for the betterment of the site as well as your personal security are as bellow.


1. Get to know the people who raise their hands personally. Get their contact details and if possible outsource it to be checked.

2. Get some scripts done to check and store the IP addresses and the time stamp for each users post.


3. Ask for clear context of objectives, work plan, etc
4. Nominate the committee and mention that the forum is just a platform to open the voice and the forum posters should be liable to what the post. And if in case local law authority’s request, you are not hesitating to provide the details acquired at the 01 condition.

This is my personal idea and people neither need not agree with me nor think that I am 100% against with you. I feel something fishy about the original request and even with the risk of having a huge hit of negative reps, I post this for the betterment of the forum as well as Quibit.

Note : me too a small investor and would support this if above conditions are met. Prevention is better than cure.

+ Rep from me sister! You've told everything in my mind!

50Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:56 pm

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

[quote="stumpy"]
aladdin wrote:

+ Rep from me sister! You've told everything in my mind!

its a honer stumpy. Thanks for the + Rep.

It has been a long way from minus (-26) reps to what i am today. Smile thanks for all the people who identified and encouraged with + Reps.

51Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:20 am

windi5

windi5
Moderator
Moderator

Wow what a response, this clearly shows the ambition of our lovely members in this forum to have a such institution to look after their grievances,needs and there desire to make authorities hear their important voice
I dont have exact details of the composition in the CSE, but as we all believe most of them are retailers. I hope one of our expert will intervene this discussion and define the retailer.
Some had argued in their potion of idea in this discussion about the fact that shouldering the burden at CSE.Some refused the fact that burden was carried by the retailers. My simple question is how the mkt dragged down heavily by the credit clearance if retailers were not the main contributors. I never came to know that any broker firm cleared credits obtained by institutional investments or high net worth investors. But there was an one incident where a bulk of DIMO shares were sold by a broker company as they were directed by a financial institute which had funded that particular big investor. but we all have to accept that the mkt is control by big investors and some times institutional investments, we all small investors follow them like obedient children . Today there was a good example how the CEO of SHL made that share rise and how retailers followed him.
Now in this forum we all poor small investors have been discussing several factors that we feel badly effect us.some of those factors are as follows
1. Some needed credit facilities to keep as it was earlier
2. Some were very much upset of the way that Privet placement are done
3. some had problems the way of pricing IPOs.
4. some argued about Inside dealing
5. some talked about the qualifications and experiences of the brokers
6. some worried about brokerage, some says its the highest in the world
7. some complained about the online trading systems like cdax,getting stuck when the mostly need
8. some argued of the amount of IPOs, and their bad effect to the mkt
9. some argued about unnecessary amounts warrants and some named greg as a warrant factory
10. some were not happy the way the price band is taking place, not clear about its application

so all have ideas and their suggestions but there is not a proper way that we can make authorities concern these factors before they take decisions. they consults broker firms some times but not heard our voice.

After all CSE,SEC,Broker firms are all run by our money. We pay them, their portion whether the deal is in profit or loss.We even pay the government some taxes from our hard earned money, in every deal.

So dont we have a fair right to form a institute where all our ideas and suggestions accumulate and represent?

flower

52Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:47 am

lokuayya


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Even in bull market there were genuine efforts by some courageous people against some malpractices .see all the blogs related to cse.

True that investnow and some blogs were intimidated by some powerful people .
its is the way ,those who have power usually try to silence public for various reasons.mainly to cover wrong doings.
That is why we need such a union.This union will be a union of legal experts ,administrative experts ,technical ,engineering,medical,experts etc.this kind of union cannot be intimidated.This should not be online union ,but it should be real physically man to man union.so admin of this site is free from any responsibility.of course this will not be a liking of SEC and broker community and big fish community.When such union is formed not only ip addresses ,even the birth certificate can be given to any authority or whatever because it will be real legally union.

53Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:17 am

Academic


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

lokuayya wrote:Even in bull market there were genuine efforts by some courageous people against some malpractices .see all the blogs related to cse.

True that investnow and some blogs were intimidated by some powerful people .
its is the way ,those who have power usually try to silence public for various reasons.mainly to cover wrong doings.
That is why we need such a union.This union will be a union of legal experts ,administrative experts ,technical ,engineering,medical,experts etc.this kind of union cannot be intimidated.This should not be online union ,but it should be real physically man to man union.so admin of this site is free from any responsibility.of course this will not be a liking of SEC and broker community and big fish community.When such union is formed not only ip addresses ,even the birth certificate can be given to any authority or whatever because it will be real legally union.

We can incorporate this as a non-for-profit organization, cooperative, or under consumer protection act? May not be as a trade union? Is investing/trading is an accepted self-employment in SL? (we need legal advice here please)

I also agree with the idea detaching the union from this forum so that usernames in the forum and real identity can be separated.

54Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:05 pm

ISURU

ISURU
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

windi5 wrote:How is the idea of forming an union among small investors at CSE. Our voice is rarely heard by authorities but we are the ppl who carries the CSE on our shoulders.
Yes a good idea. I'd like to become a member. flower

55Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 12:09 pm

stumpy

stumpy
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

lol! What a player! Razz

56Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:49 pm

windi5

windi5
Moderator
Moderator

Player has gone crazy to the rotating speed of his head. Very Happy . Hey Player dont try to play with this topic, we all are serious about such a organization. In the future SEC will discuss with this union as well ,like they do with brokers, before installing new rules. be positive man!. Smile

57Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:57 pm

player

player
Moderator
Moderator

windi5 wrote:Player has gone crazy to the rotating speed of his head. Very Happy . Hey Player dont try to play with this topic, we all are serious about such a organization. In the future SEC will discuss with this union as well ,like they do with brokers, before installing new rules. be positive man!. Smile

sorry brother,but need little joy in this stressful marketne ,ekai.. Sad
oki,im with you all,im also a small guy Smile
unity we stand,together we win Very Happy

58Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:28 pm

udul


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

c'mon guys let's fix a date to get together
Quitbit cn U take the initiative???

59Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:14 am

Surangaby

Surangaby
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

Before get together!
We should have an agenda.
Whats the Point in forming a Union like this?
What do we gonna talk there?
Do we know the legal side for forming a Union like this?
What kind of challenges we would have to face?

Remember-
Investing only thinking about making Profit is common in our country. (Coz' Financial literacy of this country is not more than 5%)
If we take Investing as a Balance Scale, one side is Profit(gain) and the other side is Risk. Weights varies of both sides depending on your type of investments. In stock market, the risk is higher comparing to FDs, (More gain - more pain). In stock market you get from low to high Risk counters(companies).
About Risk & Risk management,I could talk for hours.. But the most important thing is how you manage your hard earned money or savings.
Going blindly behind some counters that goes up over night and when U lose money, don't blame anyone.
"BLAME IT ON THE RAIN ONLY IF YOU CARRY AN UMBRELLA"

60Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:48 pm

dewminigamlath


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

It's a good idea to form such a union, but how do we exactly define "Small Investors"...?

61Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:42 pm

Rajaraam


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

dewminigamlath wrote:It's a good idea to form such a union, but how do we exactly define "Small Investors"...?

Sri lankan investors dealing in CSE with a maximum investment value as at 1st july(or any other date)Rs 50 mn. No age limit .Is that ok?

62Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:13 am

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

udul wrote:c'mon guys let's fix a date to get together
Quitbit cn U take the initiative???

u seems to be fishy. Why so hurry ?? Admin dont poke ur hand to this. Ur gona burn ur finger. Prevention is always better than cure.

63Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:03 am

Surangaby

Surangaby
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

dewminigamlath wrote:It's a good idea to form such a union, but how do we exactly define "Small Investors"...?

Personally I don't like the name "Small Investor". No

64Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:00 pm

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

udul wrote:c'mon guys let's fix a date to get together
Quitbit cn U take the initiative???

I just checked about the characteristic of this member (udul).

he 1st joins the forum on : 2011-03-28
1st post of him on :on Wed May 11, 2011 7:00 pm "what will be the first day price of expolanka? "

from that day up to yesterday only 20 posts. Which means,

Topics per day : 0.09
Posts per day : 0.18

at least not even once a day. At least not even once after two days. At least not even once after 4 days. Smile

all of a sudden a sudden interest of a investors union..

As my signature says, I report. You decide.

65Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:09 pm

udul


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

i just told my personal feeling if members don't like just ignore it, bt I believe synergy is more important

I Report U Decide

66Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:09 pm

player

player
Moderator
Moderator

aladdin wrote:
udul wrote:c'mon guys let's fix a date to get together
Quitbit cn U take the initiative???

I just checked about the characteristic of this member (udul).

he 1st joins the forum on : 2011-03-28
1st post of him on :on Wed May 11, 2011 7:00 pm "what will be the first day price of expolanka? "

from that day up to yesterday only 20 posts. Which means,

Topics per day : 0.09
Posts per day : 0.18

at least not even once a day. At least not even once after two days. At least not even once after 4 days. Smile

all of a sudden a sudden interest of a investors union..

As my signature says, I report. You decide.

ask from "MANULA" about udul......... Wink

67Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:25 pm

windi5

windi5
Moderator
Moderator

what is this now. instead of making some arrangement for our union, Dammi sugath talks. hey union is a big power. Hey player concentrate on this stopping yur rotating head. Eventually this will benefit all of us. Even Nattamis got a union. Hey aladine, instead of going after members,like FBI, take a active steps to make this idea realization. Mad

68Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:32 am

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

windi5 wrote:what is this now. instead of making some arrangement for our union, Dammi sugath talks. hey union is a big power. Hey player concentrate on this stopping yur rotating head. Eventually this will benefit all of us. Even Nattamis got a union. Hey aladine, instead of going after members,like FBI, take a active steps to make this idea realization. Mad

now rather than you asking me to take an active step, why cant you do it your self ?? set the objectives, set the future plans and show that your interest is real and not just to ruin the future of the members by reviling their identities.

Dear Friends,

I strongly advise you not to get in to this trap unless the creates of this idea comes up with a positive set of objectives with a plan of how they are going to achieve them. In short term there should be a vision which is driven from a mission to achieve the vision objectives.

If such can be done, i also will give my support. Until that i look at this with a suspected eye. affraid affraid affraid affraid

69Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:39 am

windi5

windi5
Moderator
Moderator

Hey, you report you decide, this is good discussion that pop upped in this forum. so its a up to seniors to carry this out forward and make it realized. Im not a legal expert or cooperate expert, just a novice. i just wanted to express my opinion. Hey show the miracles of your lamp, making this a reality rather than going after members like a sleuth. bounce

70Small Investor Association - Page 3 Empty Re: Small Investor Association Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:56 am

aladdin

aladdin
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

windi5 wrote:Hey, you report you decide, this is good discussion that pop upped in this forum. so its a up to seniors to carry this out forward and make it realized. Im not a legal expert or cooperate expert, just a novice. i just wanted to express my opinion. Hey show the miracles of your lamp, making this a reality rather than going after members like a sleuth. bounce

you keep on increasing the evidence of suspect since your trying to convince others without giving proper objective.

I repeat, I feel really fishy about this move. Be extremely careful.

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