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FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » EXPERT CHRONICLE™ » I will never buy Poultry stocks here after !! its a sin..

I will never buy Poultry stocks here after !! its a sin..

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Think9


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Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Einstein, A., (1930), "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, November 9, pp. 1-4, Available at: http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm [accessed on 24/09/2011 ].

@Academic wrote:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Einstein, A., (1930), "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, November 9, pp. 1-4, Available at: http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm [accessed on 24/09/2011 ].

Absolutely true. Some scientific evidence allowing non-veg in some religion;

1. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
2. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
3. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
4. Even plants have life
5. Even plants can feel pain
6. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime

I wanted to shorten the answer here with the intention of taking the audience read first. If you are interested to find more, please visit http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=154&chapter=1#q6

Very Interesting link & Thanks.

"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]

But what is the reason for forbidding PORK consumption is not clear to me?

@chan5 wrote:
I gave up meats when i was 16,now 26. Im not misleading ppl, i was elaborating my experience n my knowledge.
friend,we call these evidences are class D. which are not reliable,at all.no querries about your 10 years, but the positive outcomes.

Human beings have not been born to live with eating meats. Animal based proteins, of course, are much more similar to our proteins . Plant proteins are somewhat compromised by their limitation of one or more amino acids. When we restore the relatively deficient amino acid in a plant protein, we get a response rate equivalent to animal proteins. Although protein is certainly an essential nutrient which plays many key roles in the way our bodies function, we do not need huge quantities of it. In reality, we need small amounts of protein. Only one calorie out of every ten we take in needs to come from protein.
read bold words, you see how non specific. underlined sentence is completely wrong, protein metabolism take place in starvation states.and the source is vegetarian website , so poor reliability.

It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein. Nearly all vegetables, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds contain some, and often much, protein.eggs, cow's milk, meat, and fish are high quality protein. This means that they have large amounts of all the essential amino acids. Soybeans, quinoa (a grain), and spinach also are considered high quality protein. Other protein sources of non-animal origin usually have all of the essential amino acids.the myth that meat is the only way to get high quality protein, in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care is needed in choosing foods. Actually it is much easier than we think.
bold text - is it ?
and see the easy menu, it's so easy and can find in sri lanka..

When we talk about iron ,dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.Its true that Vegan diets only contain non-heme iron. Because of this, iron recommendations are higher for vegetarians than for non-vegetarians.vegan diet contains a form of iron that is not that well absorbed, vegans might be prone to developing iron deficiency anemia. However, surveys of vegans 2,3 have found that iron deficiency anemia is no more common among vegetarians than among the general population although vegans tend to have lower iron stores.Another reason for the satisfactory iron status of vegans is that vegan diets are high in vitamin C. Vitamin C acts to markedly increase absorption of non-heme iron. Adding a vitamin C source to a meal increases non-heme iron absorption up to six-fold which makes the absorption of non-heme iron as good or better than that of heme iron.
vitamin c plays a synergistic effect on iron absorption - still it's questioning.so your text also say that heam iron is the best.and they haven't mentioned any research article.or link.

defective neural development,sexual intimacy, all these applies even to those who greedily eat meats.For my experience ,my climax is well in force.Im very active person.
applies - the percentage is more in vegans,thank god that you are active but usually vegans are zombies.and in case you dont know, please note these as well.
1-Weston A. Price Foundation-a vegetarian diet is far from ideal,strict vegetarianism (veganism) is detrimental to human health.
2-Stephen Byrnes, PhD, RNCP- "many of the vegetarian claims cannot be substantiated and some are simply false and dangerous.
3- H. Leon Abrams - "Humans have always been meat-eaters. The fact that no human society is entirely vegetarian, and those that are almost entirely vegetarian suffer from debilitated conditions of health, seems unequivocally to prove that a plant diet must be supplemented with at least a minimum amount of animal protein to sustain health.
4-in animal products you get saturated fats more - are required for the nervous system to function properly, and over half the fat in the brain is saturated. also help suppress inflammation. Finally, saturated animal fats carry the vital fat-soluble vitamins A, D and K2, which we we need in large amounts to be healthy.we have been consuming saturated fats from animals products, milk products and the tropical oils for thousands of years; it is the advent of modern processed vegetable oil that is associated with the epidemic of modern degenerative disease, not the consumption of saturated fats."


Its nice to see another medical student in this forum.
you are welcome.but what i feel is you are definitely not.
why.?
What western scientists are doing,most of them are controlled by big drugs companies, still no cure for cancers and HIV. It seems that they are spreading diseases in hoping mkt their drugs,its one of big business in the world today.
the bold letters at last , newer comes from a medical student. it's quite substandard knowledge if you are.and please note these nothing call cancer , that a misnomer(from hemophilia to meningioma) and refer to cluster of diseases and i'm not sure that what you are talking about.



any way as a foot note,
i'm learning stock market these days. i really take you as a serious member and i do follow your posts.and i have learned a lot. so thanks anyway.....

at last, one of my lawyer friend's saying.......
"newer argue with an expert witness at the court , eventhough you know how much about his subject.still he knows more and you could be wrong by some theory" - author unknown


happy trading , happy weekend

Hee its a misunderstanding who said that i was a medical student. There were few,as i cn remember, in this forum, i meant them.

Still modern science is at a tender stage. modern science is unable to give answers for most of burning matters in the earth. Still doing researches,some times even using innocent animals.in the end,most of the time, these findings make those ppl and companies reach. If this modern science is capable of delivering best, we should have a healthy world but instead the situation is worsening bringing new kind of deceases or accelerating most of existing ones.

I wanted to say,still ppl are dieing from these deceases,caners and HIV, only thing modern science can do is controlling them but medicine are very expensive. where does these money go,to the pockets of drugs companies. Now even doctors dont have ethics,they also going after money.

Oh man, this quoting has become a real headache. Guys, shall we stop using this for readability sake? Use it only when it seriously requires to quote couple of lines.

@ninja wrote:
@Academic wrote:
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Einstein, A., (1930), "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, November 9, pp. 1-4, Available at: http://www.sacred-texts.com/aor/einstein/einsci.htm [accessed on 24/09/2011 ].

Absolutely true. Some scientific evidence allowing non-veg in some religion;

1. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
2. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
3. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
4. Even plants have life
5. Even plants can feel pain
6. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime

I wanted to shorten the answer here with the intention of taking the audience read first. If you are interested to find more, please visit http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=154&chapter=1#q6


There are ppl in some African countries who eat even human flesh. So those ppl might use their Omnivorous set of teeth to eat these flesh . everything has a beginning and an end between them an existence.life is not just a existence need consciousness as well. do we like our pets killed and served on the table, so we should have that mercy for all other animals as well.

@windi5: Why dont you stop quoting the same thing said in the previous post? Quoting has to be used judiciously as the case of our teeth set.
You didn't read the link I gave you as it has the answer to your question. Just quoting the important line but recomend you to read the entire thing for your understanding of this subject
"It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously"

@ninja wrote:@windi5: Why dont you stop quoting the same thing said in the previous post? Quoting has to be used judiciously as the case of our teeth set.
You didn't read the link I gave you as it has the answer to your question. Just quoting the important line but recomend you to read the entire thing for your understanding of this subject
"It is upto mankind to use every resource in this world judiciously"

Hey dear i read it, its your religious belief not a philosophy. It talks even about POLYGAMY. Very Happy

While its up to individuals to decide in which stocks to invest! some people avoid in investing some stocks for some reasons.

If we go that basis in really we can't invest in any stocks, here if you consider poultry stocks as bad, then you should avoid banking sector because they finance it, insurance because they insure these people, transport companies because they used to transport, power sectors because they supply electricity, super markets because they sell those, like the list will go on and go on, because in the world practically you can't isolated any business in the world

Kindly note this reply is not intended to hurt anybody's individual believe.

@ninja wrote: Some scientific evidence allowing non-veg in some religion;

1. Meat is nutritious and rich in complete protein
2. Humans have Omnivorous set of teeth
3. Human beings can digest both vegetarian and non-vegetarian food
4. Even plants have life
5. Even plants can feel pain
6. Killing a living creature with two senses less is not a lesser crime

I wanted to shorten the answer here with the intention of taking the audience read first. If you are interested to find more, please visit http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=154&chapter=1#q6


i'm not surprised at all. i expected this religious based explanations.
i don't know where do we go as a nation.

by the time of 2011 even, why still we don't have an insight to feel.
1-that all the religion leaders were good , different men. not gods
2-they tried to drive human civilization to good and peace.
3-at that time there were no developed science (evidence based)
4-so they put up various theories to explain the mass population, and are beyond simple truth.
5-even some, after the death of the leader
6-Philosophy of that great men is gone and rubbish is there now.
7-we don't share with poor but kill by halal,don't love the wife and talk against the abortion,talk abut animal killing but not minimising the harm.

anyway,,,,,,
see the world through scientific eye,
use religion as the second line
it's safe and sound. never change this order.
practice for 1 year and feel the difference

@Gaja wrote:While its up to individuals to decide in which stocks to invest! some people avoid in investing some stocks for some reasons.

If we go that basis in really we can't invest in any stocks, here if you consider poultry stocks as bad, then you should avoid banking sector because they finance it, insurance because they insure these people, transport companies because they used to transport, power sectors because they supply electricity, super markets because they sell those, like the list will go on and go on, because in the world practically you can't isolated any business in the world

Kindly note this reply is not intended to hurt anybody's individual believe.

Fully submit to the view expressed by Gaja.
On a side note, let me share the meaning of the word Hypocrisy..
"Hypocrisy is the state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have. Hypocrisy involves the deception of others and is thus a kind of lie". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

@chan
C'mon dear, u r better than this. See through a white glass what is said there. Its a religious site that I agree but the content is the key. If u disagree with the content, then tell that with evidence.
I was just showing non-veg is ok in scientific terms. See through on that context. Do not go after any religion/philosophy or even science too much. Too much makes us "panditheyo", that we try to avoid.

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Post Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:12 pm by chan5

@ninja wrote:@chan
C'mon dear, u r better than this. See through a white glass what is said there. Its a religious site that I agree but the content is the key. If u disagree with the content, then tell that with evidence.

ok sure i'll show the scientific explanation to all.As far as my knowledge.
and i,m quoting from the site you linked.
islam basics


11. Over population of cattle

If every human being was a vegetarian, it would lead to overpopulation of cattle in the world, since their reproduction and multiplication is very swift. Allah (swt) in His Divine Wisdom knows how to maintain the balance of His creation appropriately. No wonder He has permitted us to have the meat of the cattle.
there's nothing like that.any eco system has a maximum carrying capacity.wich is controlled by food demand by the next energy level of food chain.
source is primary class - science text book - grade 11 - biology unit 3




Cost of meat is reasonable since all aren’t non-vegetarians

I do not mind if some people are pure vegetarians. However they should not condemn non-vegetarians as ruthless. In fact if all Indians become non-vegetarians then the present non-vegetarians would be losers since the prices of meat would rise.
supply and demand ..? here are clever people than me who can explain on this ground.




question "Why do you slaughter the animal painfully by cutting the throat instead of the way we do with one stroke i.e. jhatka?"
The Muslim replied "We are brave and courageous and attack from the front.
do you think that killing a cow or pig needs such machoism..?



The blood has to be drained completely before the head is removed. The purpose is to drain out most of the blood which would serve as a good culture medium for micro organisms. The spinal cord must not be cut because the nerve fibres to the heart could be damaged during the process causing cardiac arrest, stagnating the blood in the blood vessels.
cardiac arrest occurs in loose of 30% of blood. so no point.
and nerve supply is not nessecery to function of heart as it's controlled by itself.nerve supply just maintain the rate.that's why you get people in coma state as their brain is dead but heart is functioning at a regular rate.



The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhers, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles defecient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.
there's a thing cause ischemic pain(pain due to low blood supply) which is the worst you can imagine.the heart attack pain also the same type. ask somebody who had a heart attack and you realize that your book is wrong.it's an unpleasant, often excruciating pain associated with decreased blood flow caused by mechanical obstruction, constricting orthopedic casts, or insufficient blood flow
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/ischemic+pain



Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc. One of the most dangerous is Taenia Solium,
hook worm- by penetrating your foot , not by food
pin worm - orally by any contaminated food are unhygienic practices, no pork thing
round worm -unhygienic water and foods, mainly unwashed vegetables.
there's a one called taenia saginata in beef also, so pork no safe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_saginata






but the real issues are here,
in any ground i don't admit this filths


sorry - these texts were removed by myself(chan) as it was away from the topic and i don't want to confront religious views of Islam , "chan"



why can't you behave like a man and decide what you need.
why living by a book? which is historical and without update for 2011.


what i can say is, meet we can't omit from our food as it causes health hazards.
but i never admit the halal cruelty. at least give them a peaceful death...
on the name of any god.
THAT SCIENCE IS SOMETHING WHICH I NEVER HEARD OF,.........

no hard feelings,
thanks



Last edited by chan5 on Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:45 pm; edited 4 times in total (Reason for editing : removing the unrelated post)

@chan5 Ohhhh! hooow hoooow!, keep ur cool dear, that will make u clear. Be stick to the point and avoid nonsense. We are here having a discussion on having meet is scientific or not. Nothing else.

Will speak about the rest in another forum. Anyway, u r my good friend dear. I sincerely think so and I honestly believe we can be together though we have differences in our opinion. This makes our world beautiful.

Cheers Mate

@ninja wrote:@chan5 Ohhhh! hooow hoooow!, keep ur cool dear, that will make u clear. Be stick to the point and avoid nonsense. We are here having a discussion on having meet is scientific or not. Nothing else.

Will speak about the rest in another forum. Anyway, u r my good friend dear. I sincerely think so and I honestly believe we can be together though we have differences in our opinion. This makes our world beautiful.

Cheers Mate

clearly. i also wanted to stick to the point, but the page you linked had the topics i quoted about too..
so i had to quote them to show the reliability and science of your reference.
non of them are my words and please note all the phrases are extractions from above site.
those were below your reference so i just extracted them.

no hard feelings,at all.

so as you are friend.

think about this..
"Be an indipendant human, think scientifically, use your religion to fill the spaces.not to fill your life." learn every religion and get the best for your life.

and
Don't believe anything just because it was in a book,somebody told,you heard, or even if you see. just think in yourself and you decide,admit those only if you are satisfy with it.
- by lord buddha


didn't want to confront your religious views at all.

pls note that i'm not a buddhist

Market Sucker

Post Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:55 pm by Market Sucker

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1601051434601


see this........... Sad Sad Sad

delete this post if not good....

bakapandithaya

Post Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:26 pm by bakapandithaya

Poultry stock not good to buy, how about this drunken

@Quibit wrote:This is a hot topic.. That's why moved to the expert chambers!!
This topic is no more a stock market discussion. Hence it shouldn't be move to expert chambers but should be deleted from the forum.

Ditta damma wedaniya karma...

Deeds that gives results during the the same financial year... lol!

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1601051434601


see this........... Sad Sad Sad

delete this post if not good....

this s really sad.. hope we can get hold of video of a chicken factory as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc1Ygt6fIdw&feature=related

rijayasooriya

Post Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:47 am by rijayasooriya

@chan5 wrote:

there's nothing called western science or western medicine. it's evidence based medicine and science. so i ithink i dont want to argue on heam iron with you.

quantum physics - irrelevant

This part is for others,If u do not eat meat eat milk products and fresh green leafy vegetables u will not get anaemia or neral canal defect.Do not misguided by 'know it all's posts.
i don't argue you brother. there's something wrong somewhere in our education system. we were never scientific enough as a nation.all sciences have been battered by religious views and culprits.a man should have a vision and religion.but try to be scientific too.i can give references for all my sayings in reputed journals.

let me put in this in simple way.
if you can find - please watch

prison break - us tele drama
batti or paba - sri lankan's at the same time frame

as both are produced for mass population of respective countries,
see how scientific their population by ,use of biological , chemical and physics applications.

i may sound silly, but seriously note it you will see the light.

no hard feelings
thanks


Sorry to tell u brother but u are a victim of this westernised education system.What u are talking is western science and western medicine.When u first learn it u get this feeling of learning world's best knowledge system as this western science is covered with mouth watering icing.But if u learn it in to deep without worshiping it u will see the reality. I am not against any of those western knowledge but try to understand the reality.Western people are still governing us through their econical,educational,medicinal etc system.There are absorbing our knowladge and any other knowledge in to their system.They do not do copy and paste or imitating.But what do most of us do? Copy and paste of their knowledge.

What should we do? We should absorb their knowledge in to our system and develop a our system.

Western science is now at a lost because of discoveries made in quntum physics.Tharefore they are now interested in buddhism which gives a better explanation for quntum physics.

I have watched prison break,a tatooed guy called Michael Scofield,suffering from a brain tumour but ultimately sacrified his life to escape his wife,Dr.Sara Tancredi form a prison, try to escape his brother Lincoln Burrows,who has falsly alleged for murdering US vice president's brother.There is another US teledrama called LOST which will give you little bit of insight in to quntum physics and so called evidence based science.But remember it is also a drama like Prison Break.



Last edited by rijayasooriya on Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:28 pm; edited 1 time in total

Its Really Hot Topic...... Juss started to refer Smile

People who hold poultry stocks & if they think its killing animals ... pls sell your shares @ right now .. bcz thr many ppl wants to buy those shares @ Lower Prices Smile

Thr was really good comment on 1st page & tht bro mentioned somthng abt Borella Supermarket Smile

I wanna say him : Bro .... If you have leisure time please research abt Halal Smile Bcz its not only killing any living being ... the Halal Process its very Lengthy Process.... U knw According to Halal U cnt Kill animals who hvng diffrent types of Ill Animal & further U cnt Kill who is pregnant animal (Pls Correct if grammar is wrong).... I knw those who kills animals Under Halal Logo without obey the rule ... thy shd killed 1st Smile

But If your trying to condemn the Halal Rule Sad Thn its really worst Bcz your trying to slash healthy living rule ..... Smile Wel Come U r View Smile

http://www.dailynews.lk/epaper/art.asp?id=2011/09/26/pg23_8&pt=p&h=

stockanalytic

Post Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:18 pm by stockanalytic

@Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Think9, I've attached some poultry related topics those were posted/replied by you.
are you sure that you didn't invest in poultry stocks??? Promotion also against your theory. But if we clearly analyse the posts made by you - I am sure that you invested in poultry in the past- may be now also.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t8807-bfl-future
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7344-hsig-sfs-clpl-wapo-gran-guar-keep-on-eye
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7560-bfl-keep-an-eye-on
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7385-bfln0000-tommorow-29-07-2011-technical-analysis-price-level

@stockanalytic wrote:
@Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Think9, I've attached some poultry related topics those were posted/replied by you.
are you sure that you didn't invest in poultry stocks??? Promotion also against your theory. But if we clearly analyse the posts made by you - I am sure that you invested in poultry in the past- may be now also.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t8807-bfl-future
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7344-hsig-sfs-clpl-wapo-gran-guar-keep-on-eye
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7560-bfl-keep-an-eye-on
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t7385-bfln0000-tommorow-29-07-2011-technical-analysis-price-level

Onna Boss Athatama Mattu Sad

Huta Razz

My comment related to BFL topic on Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:48 am

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t8807-bfl-future#59617

@glwking wrote:As my understanding tourists are staying at hotels. Therefor, hotel sector should benefit from the large number of tourist arrivals. But I never knew (until I read this comments) tourists are staying in chicken farms. lol!

Reply to my comment by Think9 on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:31 am

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t8807-bfl-future#59661

@Think9 wrote:@glwking : u should understand the sectors where chicken consumption climb up most. and hotel sector do have a direct relationship with poultry stks. Hotels too have an effect coz of the tourist arrivals but remember ! most of the hotels are still over-valued.. but chicken stocks ( specially BFL ) are still under-valued..

so tourist arrivals gives more benefit for food & beverage stks than hotels ..


Again my reply on Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:20 am

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t8807-bfl-future#59748

@glwking wrote:@Think9, I am not against to chicken farmers or paltry stocks. But how can you justify the large number of tourist arrivals will be benefited to Food & beverage sector than hotel sector. Hope you are not kidding.

I too agree, according to the past earnings BFL is trading at lower PER. But these these kind of livestock shares should not trade high PER due to risk involved in the industry.

Just look at the true color of the people. I am not favourable or against to any poultry stock. But this is my general comment.

@stockanalytic :

This just came to ma mind.. once one of ma friends told me not to buy tellin me its a sin but that time i was greedy to earn more money and i bought lot of times..and recently i calculated the gain / loss i got from those , i realized that what i ve earn from those is pretty low... and these re da shares i ve traded most in ma life..

mayb it s message for me to gain low on those.. and I made up ma mind not to buy again.
( though im pretty confident that we will see a chicken run soon. im not gonna enter. )

whe ur tryin to involve in a discussion.. next time just make sure u go through all the posts.. try to find this post which i posted..

minus reps for a good cause ? affraid

weird.

@Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.


It is better if you can make this post at GRAN/TAFL above 150 and BFL above 350...
U made this at buying time not the selling time but the value of your post remain same.. I will consider this in future but not now

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