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1Share I'm holding Empty Share I'm holding Thu Mar 08, 2012 11:56 pm

mzzahran


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

hi expertise
please help me, my broker had bought below shares 6 month ago. i'm still holding on it paying interest,please advice me whether i should get rid of it and wait till market goes up, if i sell all these share i will be loosing around 400,000 please advice

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

per month i pay closer to 20,000 interest if i don't sell these.
please help me to get a decision

2Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:30 am

UKboy

UKboy
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

mzzahran wrote:hi expertise

Hello mzzahran,

1st of all I feel sorry for you but it doesnt make any sense when I see your PF.
This is just my personnel thoughts & what I would do if I was in your situation.

If you are telling the truth and if the given figures are true, ...... I think you should sell all the shares at a loss. At least then you stop losing any more money (due to interest chargers).

I start selling from HOPL and end with CARS. (except SUGA)

3Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:10 am

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics

If you're paying 20K per month as interest I guess you could figure out what to sell and settle the balance...

There's no need of paying interest and keeping shares to see a brigher day, just get rid ot your interest portion by selling off some shares completely or as appropriately...

I particulary dont see SUGA, PCH, CLND, HOPL as investment options.. HOPL is a good plantation share but since they decided to drag the wage payment till this year, their profitability may drop..

4Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:45 am

traderathome

traderathome
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

mzzahran wrote:hi expertise
please help me, my broker had bought below shares 6 month ago. i'm still holding on it paying interest,please advice me whether i should get rid of it and wait till market goes up, if i sell all these share i will be loosing around 400,000 please advice

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

per month i pay closer to 20,000 interest if i don't sell these.
please help me to get a decision
brother, This is my friendly advise,sell all at a loss and come with your own personal money which you can afford to loose and still you will be comfortable with it mentally.The Golden Rule in trading you have breached. Trading is not for you. You should be in Ballegio/MGM or perhaps in Las Vegas trying you luck with that money in the 1st place. Twisted Evil

Back to serious talk.
What you thought when purchasing all that stocks you mentioned.You hoped your investment will grow three-fold in couple of months. Shocked

I dont know your total investment and i assume its 1 million.you should invest per stock trade around 2%. Smile

Do not use your margin provided by the broker or any other provider for trading.some traders do it with highly successfully.but its not for us.margin kills and also money borrowed at interest. Mad

You have only onething.- settle the money lender or magin provider immediately his full amount.start investing your excess money which you have kept after setting aside all that for studies,living,house rent,etc. Cool visit the forum daily and seek advise from senior traders who have been here,there are TA and FA in this forum.ask questions.check CSE website for financials etc then purchase. Very Happy

5Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:03 am

illuminati


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

The same experts who advised members to hold their portfolios sometime back are now are advising them to sell after they have lost a further 20%. Why ? what has happened to the massive bull runs predicted. Have they vanished ? God help these souls who are still struggling in the Colombo SCAM Exchange.

6Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:43 am

yellow knife


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Traderathome...you have given the best advice...

In investments you should have 3 Es
1. Education...learn continuously , throughout with fundamentals and technical and that's life long learning... And also remember warren buffet said " If calculus is needed in stock trading I should have been selling papers "

2. Experience...that's what you are getting now...Rs. 20,000 tuition fee per month..My dear that's too expensive..Some have Paid even higher...Healthy food is available in " Matara Bath Kade ", but we love to eat Mac Donald's...high fat, high calory...One day you will give up fatty foods...better at a younger age...so you will live long...

3. Excess cash....Invest with your excess cash...Not with your cash for survival needs...then reinvest all capital gains, dividend..etc...You will get amazed by the power of compound interest

Direct answer, settle your loans or sell..start up again...You will surprise to see the figures turning other side...

7Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:36 am

raa


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Your priority should be to get out of broker credit. We don't know when the market may turn positive, it looked like that a little while ago and then new ATS system came in so now uncertain again.

Market prospects are only good long term..so no point incurring interest until then. BRWN and CARS are illiquid so if you must offload them, try and wait for a green day. BRWN has bottomed out above LKR 140-150 so selling that now is bad. It recently ran to LKR 210 and came back down.. you should wait for a similar green movement and minimize your loss. If you can hold BRWN, then it is a dividend paying share (not a lot).

I don't know alot about CARS but it is illiquid and will have a few green days where you can exit and minimize loss.

CSD seems to have bottomed out at 8 so don't sell at this price. Wait for a green day as well.

CLND is a retail heavy stock so it has a decent spread. It is coming down now, but will have another small run every once in a while.

I see little prospects or interest for HOPL due to their fundamental wage hike issue, so dumping that share could be an option.

PCH has moved up slowly, and selling that should give you the smallest loss. There seems to be some buying up so don't know if someone is trying to take the price up..ask around before you sell.

I don't know about KAPI.

Hope this helps

8Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:44 am

Roboticfx

Roboticfx
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

My opinion is also "sell".

@illuminati,

Please look at the market with full opened eyes.

9Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:29 am

kaz4max


Stock Analytic
Stock Analytic

I assume this is ur direct credit with d broker! and credit is around 700K-750K

1. Have u permitted your broker to purchase stocks FOR u? - If yes, u have to pay the interest, if No, you should complaint and stop the interest potion. (U'r liable for the capital potion) - Then hold the stocks.

2. You could obtain a FIX rate loan from a bank @ a lower interest rate & refinance your debt's.

3. Uplift any other deposits if you have, but keep in mind, not to uplift all, u should @ least keep trice of your salary as a secured/liquid investment for a rainy day.

4. LAST OPTION - Sell with d above loss and for the moment chase TMD's if you r left with any cash, since rates are going up, you could minimize your loss after couple of years! Then as one of the above attractive posts say, invest your Excess cash

10Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:26 am

Roboticfx

Roboticfx
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

kaz4max wrote:I assume this is ur direct credit with d broker! and credit is around 700K-750K

1. Have u permitted your broker to purchase stocks FOR u? - If yes, u have to pay the interest, if No, you should complaint and stop the interest potion. (U'r liable for the capital potion) - Then hold the stocks.

2. You could obtain a FIX rate loan from a bank @ a lower interest rate & refinance your debt's.

3. Uplift any other deposits if you have, but keep in mind, not to uplift all, u should @ least keep trice of your salary as a secured/liquid investment for a rainy day.

4. LAST OPTION - Sell with d above loss and for the moment chase TMD's if you r left with any cash, since rates are going up, you could minimize your loss after couple of years! Then as one of the above attractive posts say, invest your Excess cash

Hats off to you! perfect! cheers

11Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:12 pm

ruc

ruc
Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic

Thanx for the advises from all of you..we learned lot from you....anyway feel sorry abt mzzahran

12Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:47 pm

UKboy

UKboy
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

illuminati wrote:The same experts who advised members to hold their portfolios sometime back are now are advising them to sell after they have lost a further 20%. Why ? what has happened to the massive bull runs predicted. Have they vanished ? God help these souls who are still struggling in the Colombo SCAM Exchange.

Just thought of clearing my name.

Post mortems, favourite shares, frustration and at last..... the last few options remaining.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t15140-post-mortems-favourite-shares-frustration-and-at-last-the-last-few-options-remaining

Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:00 am
UKboy wrote:1st of all I feel really sorry for the retailers are holding huge losses and at the same time I hope at least few broker huts will go bankrupt in this year due to lack of transactions.

4 months before, not many members in the forum had warned about this downhill trend and those who said about this trend were harshly battered. When things are getting worse, now I can see many are saying about the bitter truth (even though it hurts). However it’s too late to identify what went wrong or where it went wrong.
We all have favourite shares. Some like fundamentally sound shares and some like to play with the lines. I don’t mind if someone tries to promote his/her favourite shares in here. If we are not talking about shares what else we can talk? Do we need to talk about the person you slept last night? NO its all about stocks. But I was extremely disappointed to see how many topics were opened for GREG in last few days. I guess these mindless people didn’t see others already open topics about GREG? Are they really blind?

I can see sheer frustration from some forum members. I can only say we cannt do much about this down trend NOW. We must not forget that IPOs, right issues & foreign outflows drained nearly 100 billion in last 24 months. That’s additional to HNWI traders activities.

Blaming culture is also going on. Still there are plenty people saying SEC is not doing anything. Some still blame manipulators. Those forgot a very basic thing before they entered into this market. This is a 3rd world country. Money and power can change things. Its very hard to say no to those two. If you say NO then there will be some consequences. These people will never blame manipulators if they earned profits. NEVER.

Many Sri Lankan retailers think they are traders. But they are not..! Sadly our market lacks investors. Touch your heart and ask yourself how many of successful trades you did in last few months and how many failed? Become a trader is the easiest thing you can do in any market and become a professional trader is the highest you can go in any market.

Not many options left at the moment I’m afraid. Unless you are dying to buy shares, try not to buy anything. ( Of cause except professional traders) . Wait few more weeks before make any buyings. Whoever came to the market before 2009 has seen this type of dull market more than once.

There’s no rule say that you have to buy shares soon after you sold some. No No NOOOO.

Deciding to sell or hold the unrealise losses will be the trickiest one. If the loss is less than 10% I would sell shares in current market conditions. I know some have more than 30% unrealise losses. To be honest I really don’t know what they can do. Most of them don’t have money to average the shares as well. I hope someone in this forum come forward and help these guys. To my eyes there’s no easy solution.

Good luck for all the retailers and expect the worse for at least few broker huts.

The main problem in Sri lanka is many still believe they are professional traders but they are sadly not.

13Share I'm holding Empty im Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:51 pm

ddrperera


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

ok macho apitath ehemai namuth bayak naa ape salli nisaa

14Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:52 pm

illuminati


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Roboticfx wrote:My opinion is also "sell".

@illuminati,

Please look at the market with full opened eyes.

At this moment I am scared to open open my eyes fully in to the Colombo SCAM exchange. It is full of "hora thakkadiyas" who cheat the investors day in and out. May be next year when the ASI is around 4000. Till then watch da fun!

15Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:39 pm

lemuria


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

mzzahran wrote:hi expertise
please help me, my broker had bought below shares 6 month ago. i'm still holding on it paying interest,please advice me whether i should get rid of it and wait till market goes up, if i sell all these share i will be loosing around 400,000 please advice

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

per month i pay closer to 20,000 interest if i don't sell these.
please help me to get a decision

will u have any penny left if you sell now?

16Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:47 pm

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

UKboy wrote:
mzzahran wrote:hi expertise

Hello mzzahran,

1st of all I feel sorry for you but it doesnt make any sense when I see your PF.
This is just my personnel thoughts & what I would do if I was in your situation.

If you are telling the truth and if the given figures are true, ...... I think you should sell all the shares at a loss. At least then you stop losing any more money (due to interest chargers).

I start selling from HOPL and end with CARS. (except SUGA)

Can u cover ur debt by selling all ur shares ?

17Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:17 pm

Dileepa


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

mzzahran wrote:hi expertise
please help me, my broker had bought below shares 6 month ago. i'm still holding on it paying interest,please advice me whether i should get rid of it and wait till market goes up, if i sell all these share i will be loosing around 400,000 please advice

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

per month i pay closer to 20,000 interest if i don't sell these.
please help me to get a decision
As it seems, you have invested about a million (Cash:800,000 & Credit:200,000).
If above is correct, you are not in such a bad position, and selling every thing is not a good move.
Can't you cover your credit by selling CARS, CLND & PCH (in order) ?
(I may be wrong, but I don't see the point of holding those on credit)
As you have the ability to invest 20,000 a month,
why don't you save for couple of months and try to average BRWN, CSD.
Actually the current market price of above are well bellow the Asset Value of the Share.
You don't see that happening very frequently.


18Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:29 pm

lemuria


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Dileepa wrote:
mzzahran wrote:hi expertise
please help me, my broker had bought below shares 6 month ago. i'm still holding on it paying interest,please advice me whether i should get rid of it and wait till market goes up, if i sell all these share i will be loosing around 400,000 please advice

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

per month i pay closer to 20,000 interest if i don't sell these.
please help me to get a decision
As it seems, you have invested about a million (Cash:800,000 & Credit:200,000).
If above is correct, you are not in such a bad position, and selling every thing is not a good move.
Can't you cover your credit by selling CARS, CLND & PCH (in order) ?
(I may be wrong, but I don't see the point of holding those on credit)
As you have the ability to invest 20,000 a month,
why don't you save for couple of months and try to average BRWN, CSD.
Actually the current market price of above are well bellow the Asset Value of the Share.
You don't see that happening very frequently.



PER MONTH INTEREST 20,000. Loan 200,000? interest rate 10% per month? WRONG MATE! Wink

19Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:42 pm

traderathome

traderathome
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

mzzahran wrote:

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

Hi Zahran,

Can you also advise the DoP (Date of Purchase) and who advised you to buy these stocks. Mad

20Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:57 pm

traderathome

traderathome
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

traderathome wrote:
mzzahran wrote:

1.BRWN bought @ 246 now trading @ 156
2. CARS bought @ 585 now trading @ 462
3. CSD bought @ 13.25 now trading @ 8.20
4.CLND bought @ 60.40 now trading @ 40.60
5.HOPL bought @ 39.25 now trading @ 25.40
6.PCH bought @ 13.47 now trading @ 9.90
7.SUGA bought @ 24.10 now no trading
8.KAPI bought @ 37.80 now trading @ 26

Hi Zahran,

Can you also advise the DoP (Date of Purchase) and who advised you to buy these stocks. Mad
I was just goin thru my charts and can understan only one stock which is CSD buying @13.25,perhaps this one now is possible to go down to Rs5/-. Rolling Eyes But remaining all shares were bought against the trend. Iam not an advocate of asking you to sell.since you have borrowed and paying a hefty interest on your capital.It is better you sell them to a point that you need not pay anymore interest. Neutral

21Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:27 pm

Dileepa


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

lemuria wrote:
PER MONTH INTEREST 20,000. Loan 200,000? interest rate 10% per month? WRONG MATE! Wink
Sorry I was wrong there. Any way what I suggest is
sell riskier shares to cover up the credits and settle down with ones with greater potential.
As a policy, I never sell at a loss. Unrealized loss is not a loss until you make it so.

22Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:39 pm

mark

mark
Expert
Expert

UKboy wrote:
mzzahran wrote:hi expertise

Hello mzzahran,

1st of all I feel sorry for you but it doesnt make any sense when I see your PF.
This is just my personnel thoughts & what I would do if I was in your situation.

If you are telling the truth and if the given figures are true, ...... I think you should sell all the shares at a loss. At least then you stop losing any more money (due to interest chargers).

I start selling from HOPL and end with CARS. (except SUGA)

thanks mate,very valuable input
its obvious we cant trust highly on future these days,so better take a wise decision..
as i know you MAY get a chance to buy back them at lower or ROTATE your stocks to performing stocks..

23Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:21 pm

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

Felt sorry for the situation.
But most of us are in the same boat.
AS Mark said rotating is a good choice.

Read the following link.
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t16685-10-reasons-to-sell-shares

24Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Wed May 23, 2012 3:20 am

UKboy

UKboy
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Hello mzzahran i guess you sold most of your shares earlier? Rolling Eyes

25Share I'm holding Empty Re: Share I'm holding Wed May 23, 2012 7:38 am

econ

econ
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Thats why I always advise do not buy on credits.. marging trading is always very risky. now you have no option but sell at loss or just put money on your margin account to settle the dues an then hold your shares..

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