හලාල් ඉවත් කරයි.

Dear fellows,

How can somebody afford to pay 150k per product? its common sense. Come on.

From where did you get the news Indranige nandamma? No news reported this story...

Please dont turn this forum into another BBS facebook wall.

Please see the original video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbJGClB7wN4

Its only in Sri Lanka that you dont get Veg certificate. All the middle eastern countries you get the Veg label. Look for the Green dot on a biscuit/cake pack. It does not even contain egg.
Get the stat correctly or if you want first hand evidence go stand near a butcher shop in a major city in SL and count the peaople purchasing beef. Unfortunately its the buddhists.

I was typing these since somebody raised this issue.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RiPJADF1tW4

@smallville: I have no idea how do you say Muslims don't donate blood? Being a Muslim, I along with my Muslim colleagues proud to say that we have donated blood to our soldiers during the war time.
Anything becomes halal if it can save ones life in a death/life situation.

Regarding the pain:
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. While dying, the animal struggles, writhes, shakes and kicks, not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood and due to the flow of blood out of the body.

Campaign against Halal:
It is perfectly alright for non-muslim to protest against issuing halal certificate in an ethical manner without spreading hatred. Challenging the legal system would have been ideal than what happens today. It is not common Muslim who asks for Halal certificate but big businesses. Whether its run by Muslim or a non-muslim. So, who ever wants to stop the Halal certification, tell that to these businesses.
Bottom line: Today, They are using the halal issue to hurt the Muslims economically.
Tomorrow, a group will make the beard as an excuse to loot the Muslim's property and take advantage of the situation.

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full knowledge.

ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

@ smalvil - I donated 3 times when I was in the uni.

I u want, I can send u da scanned copy of the donation report

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sanju351 wrote:

smallville wrote:

Hanoifortune wrote:
Muslim will live with out halal tag as they had been living last 1434years.But,Muslim will never change to non halal food as you have changed.pls remember your religion also do not permit to consume meat,drinks,drugs,swine by product and etc.

Is Halal a quality certification? NO..
Does the organisation that offers this certificate engaged in community service other than funding the money to up lift Muslim community? NO

Then why should non-Muslims pay for this? If Muslims want, why they cant pay something extra and get their hear-consent fulfilled?

Japan was said to be existing without Halal, so the Muslim community in Japan should be starving or making their own meals to survive.

We all know Muslims dont donate blood..
Tell me, is blood Halal?

If a Muslim patient has to undergo pumping blood to his veins, does he request Halal blood?
Or do hospitals treat blood by its category, such as A+,B-,O, etc.. or Halal and Non-halal?

If a Muslim undergoes a surgery or require urgent blood to save his life, its the blood of other nationals he gets.. So if everything is treated as halal, Muslims will have to die in hospitals..

I dont get the point of this..

Just have a look ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qgsxyHrOSA&feature=share

Every one should watch this full video

ninja wrote:@smallville: I have no idea how do you say Muslims don't donate blood? Being a Muslim, I along with my Muslim colleagues proud to say that we have donated blood to our soldiers during the war time.
Anything becomes halal if it can save ones life in a death/life situation.

bakapandithaya wrote:@ smalvil - I donated 3 times when I was in the uni.

I u want, I can send u da scanned copy of the donation report

U guys must be the rare breed who dont follow the pack. But unfortunately, the majority I see and heard DONT. Recently I saw in an office, a guy who has to give blood for a FBS (fasting blood sugar) screening, refused to do so. And after a lot of explaining from the nurses only he agreed.
I'm proud to see that we have genuine ppl in here..

Halal is a business for some companies, they just put the label there so it can be sold to Muslims.
If you clearly look at the situation all of us are just pawns in this.

WILD BEAR-
pls kindly read Wikipedia, Halal tag has been started after 1991, but Muslim has been consuming halal for last 1434years.So Muslim did not ask Halal tag. They know what to consume without tag.
If my figure is incorrect, pls kindly let us know the amount ACJU charges for audit and confirmation. You may visit them to verify or you may call any Buddhist owned company and check with them (pls check the product, sales, cost of tag , audit method, average cost per piece)
ACJU do not transfer these fund to any other Muslims .The revenue is barely enough to cover the cost. Since ACJU is under parliament act, The Gov/AG can check their account any time. If any of the listed company supply halal tag product you have a right to ask the cost as an investor.
If cost of living in Sri Lanka is high due to this tag, people must protest against those manufactures and not against ACJU. If cost of tag erodes company profit/sales they must avoid taking it completely.
There are Halal tagged foods without meat, alcohol and swine by product. It is good for everyone who is not permitted to consume those. Manufactures do not need to recite Quran verses on their product if they have to print the tag. The Tag would cost less than 5 cents per piece. If you buy 10000 products a year it would cost less than 500/-.what can you do with 500/- in Sri Lanka?
SMALLVILLE-
I have been to Japan, but not resided for long time there. Therefore, I am not sure about Halal thing there. But majority Japanese do not belong to any religion, so they do not bother about halal/non halal or even god and supreme leaders.
I have donated blood not only to Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka but also to Vietnamese and Singaporean. There is no such thing in Islam not to donate blood. If so, what would happen to patients in those 54 Muslim Countries? It is our people mentality in Sri Lanka. It is like saying not to eat halal that you would become a Muslim. People in Sri Lanka think they would become a Buddhists, Muslim, Christians and Hindus if they get other races blood.it is the duty of the entire religious leader to eradicate this thinking

We have to respect all religions sentiments....So we must commend ACJU for their earnest to solve this issue amicably.

The question is ....if they say there is additional charge for Halal Certification and it has been unreasonably levied on non muslims tell

why the price of chicken meat of Halal & Non Halal shops are same....its 380/- shouldnt it be less like 350/- or some thing...

why did those non halal shop owners did not pass that benefit to non muslims ?

My sincere opinion is ACJU must stop its activities by end of February ( issuing halal certificates) and wait till the Govt. decision on its future.

I think this thread is now deviated from main focus and dragged in to discussing of totaly religious matters.
Can we focus on current issue only ? Otherwise this would end up with mudslings to religions.

@smallville: You have witnessed a very rare section of the Muslims and trying to apply it in general. May be this person who refused to give blood has had some other reasons for it. This is the pathetic situation prevailing today in the country. Just to remind you there is a place call Palestine and they need to donate blood every time the Israel attack them.

Can anyone tell how ACJU give that certificate ? What is their procedure to monitor those products are realy halal or not ?

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full knowledge.

ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

Ok, I will ask one question, Is ACJU incorporated in Sri Lankan law?, If you listen to the parliament debate led by the opposition leader you will realize this.

If Muslim people really want to consume halal food, I would suggest this- Get together all Muslim Brothers (10% of Sri Lankan Population) and make a fund, then you can use that money to give ACJU to issue Halal Certificate. Do not be a burden to others(90% of Sinhalese and Tamil) to full fill your believes. Good Example for ACJA is the campaign lead by Sri Lankan Businessmen(All Sinhala,Muslim and Tamil) called "Ganna Ape De" campaign, Do they ask for money ? No

Dear WB, pls go out to the supermarket and compare the prices of halal and non halal items. Let it be chicken, yougurt, milk powder. And you will realize the truth.

It's very simple, boycott halal items. Market is run by only two principles. Demand and supply. Let the market decide.

@WB It is not the Muslims who wanted a Halal certification body but majority non-muslim business owners as they wanted to penetrate into Muslim masses. Tell them to discontinue the halal certification. Problem will be resolved.

WildBear wrote:

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full know
ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

Ok, I will ask one question, Is ACJU incorporated in Sri Lankan law?, If you listen to the parliament debate led by the opposition leader you will realize this.

It was incorporated by the Act No. 51 of 2000 of the Parliament of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

Dear WB, I am repeating again, don't post anything without proper knowledge regarding that matter.

Don't make statement blindly stating he said, she said, do a research & then post

WildBear wrote:

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full know
ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

Ok, I will ask one question, Is ACJU incorporated in Sri Lankan law?, If you listen to the parliament debate led by the opposition leader you will realize this.

It was incorporated by the Act No. 51 of 2000 of the Parliament of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

Dear WB, I am repeating again, don't post anything without proper knowledge regarding that matter.

Don't make statement blindly stating he said, she said, do a research & then post

Whitebull wrote:Can anyone tell how ACJU give that certificate ? What is their procedure to monitor those products are realy halal or not ?

You are right. All nonsense.

Vptilak wrote:

Whitebull wrote:Can anyone tell how ACJU give that certificate ? What is their procedure to monitor those products are realy halal or not ?

You are right. All nonsense.

If u have any clarification regarding this, go & talk with ACJU? They will explain u this well. They already spoke regarding this with Mr. Basil rajapanksha,

Do u think they issue this certificate blindly? How they can issue the certificate without a proper procedure. I think even 10th class passed student can understand this, but unfortunately, some people in this forum cannot understand this.

Listen to the question & answers by Moulavi Murshid Mulaffer, he was explaining very clearly.
See the media release yesterday (21st Feb).

bakapandithaya wrote:Do u think they issue this certificate blindly? How they can issue the certificate without a proper procedure. I think even 10th class passed student can understand this, but unfortunately, some people in this forum cannot understand this.

As you have mentioned, UNFORTUNATELY It seems We have not passed the 10th class,,,,,,So Could you -BAKAPANDITHA BROTHER - please explain this to us(ignorant bulls ) in simple manner ?

Cool down boys.
Let's read another story.


අපගේ තීරණ වලට වැඩි වශයෙන්ම පසුබිම් වන්නේ අප ලත් අත්දැකීම් ය. අප ඇසුරු කරන කණ්ඩායමට වෙනස් වූ කණ්ඩායමක් ගැන බොහෝවිට නිගමනය කරන්නේ අප ඇසු හෝ දැක ඇති දේ සමගය.
මේ සඳහා සමාජයේ පැතිර ඇති ප්‍රසිද්ධ මිත්‍යාවන් ද බලපායි.
උදා : දේශපාලකයෝ සොරුය . ඔවුන් ගේ මුලිකම අරමුණ හම්බ කර ගැනීමය.
( හම්බ-කර ගැනීම යනු උපයා ගැනීමය. වෙන අරුතක් නොවේ ! )

මා හට සංවර්ධන ව්‍යාපාර වලදී දිවංගත B. Y. තුඩාවේ මහතා ගේ පටන් වත්මන් කැබිනට් මණ්ඩලයේ සිටින සමහරුන් දක්වා රාජකාරි වශයෙන් කෙලින්ම සම්බන්ධව වැඩ කිරීමට හැකිව තිබේ. මිලියන් ගණන් මුදල් මේ වැඩ සඳහා ගනු දෙනු වී ඇත. මේ සියල්ලන්ම පැවසුවේ හැකිතරම් ගැමි ජනතාවට අවශ්‍ය දේ කරදෙන ලෙසය. කිසිදු අයෙක් මගෙන් හෝ අප කල ව්‍යාපෘති වලින් කොමිස් ඉල්ලා නැත. සත පහක් වත් සාක්කුවේ දමා නොගත් නිලධාරීහූ ද ඕන තරම් සිටිති. නමුත් අතලොස්සක් නිලධාරීන් හැසිරුණ අයුරු නම් බලු නොවටි.

නමුත් සමාජයේ ප්රචලිත කරන්නේ , බණ වලින් පවා දේශනා කරන්නේ , කාටුන් කාරයන් දින පතා අඳින්නේ නරක අය ගැනමය. සමස්තයම නරකට දමාය.

ආගම් හා ඒවා අදහන අය ගැනද මෙසේමය.

අපේ ගොවි ජනතාව හා පුරා කියා ගොයම් කැපු විට අලුත් සහල් මංගල්ලය පවත් වති. සමහර ප්‍රදේශ වල වැව් පිටියේ හෝ වෑ කන්ඩියෙන් පාමුල උස් ස්ථානයක ගමේ කවුරුත් රැස් වී දේව දානය උයා මුල් කොටස කඩවර දෙවියන්ට ඔප්පු කරති. පොල් කිරි , පැණි , සහල් එකට දමා දේව දානය උයා ගනිති. එදා උදේ වරුවම ගමේ අයට මහා උළෙලකි.

බත ඉදුණ පසු පුවක් මලින් සැරසු කඩවර ගොට්ට තුලට මුල් කොටස දමා ඉහලට අල්ලා ස්ත්රෝස්ත කියමින්, සක් පිඹිමින් , බෙර වයමින් එය දෙවියන් වෙත යොමු කෙරේ.

සිංහල හා මුස්ලිම් ජාතික ගොවි පරම්පරාවන් සිටින ප්‍රදේශ වල මේ කාර්ර්යය සඳහා කිසිදු බේදයකින් තිරව සියලු දෙන සහභාගී වෙති. ඒ ප්‍රදේශ වල ජන ජීවිතය හා බැඳී ඇති සංස්කෘතිය බැවිනි.

කඩවර ගොට්ට ඔප්පු කරන වෙලාවට දෙවියන් විසින් එය බාරගැනීම පෙන්නුම් කිරීමට කිසියම් ගුප්ත දෙයක් සිදු වෙතයි ඔවුහු අදහති. වරෙක කඩවර ගොට්ට වේගයෙන් සෙලවේ,. එසේ නැතහොත අසල ඇති රූස්ස ගසෙක අත්තක් හිටි හැටියේ සෙලවේ. නැත්නම් ගසෙක අත්තක් කවුරුන් හෝ කඩන සේ ශබ්ධයක් නගමින් බිමට කඩා වැටේ .

කොළඹ හැදී වැඩි සිට මාරු වීම් ලබා පැමිණ සිටි මා හට එවන් අවස්ථාවකදී මේ අමුතු දේ ගැන කලින්ම අනතුරු අඟවා බලා සිටින්නට උපදෙස් දුන්නේ ප්‍රදේශයේ ගොවි නායකයකු වන අල්හාජ් මොහොමඩ් මහරුෆ් මහතාය .
දේව දානය උයන මහා හට්ටියේ අඩිය අල්ලන්නේ නැතුව සැහෙන වෙලාවක් හරි හරියට හැඳි ගාන්නේ රත්නායක හා ෆාරුක් ය. ( මෙය අමාරු වැඩකි) හතර වටින් දර දමමින් ගිනි පාලනය කරන්නේ තවත් අයෙකි . එහි ආගම හෝ ජාති බෙදයක් කියා දෙයක් දන්නේ වත් නැත.

දානය තමන් බාරගත් බව දෙවියන් විසින් ගුප්ත සලකුණකින් පෙන්නුම් කල හොත් සියල්ලන්ටම හරිම සතුටුය. සේනානායකලා, රත්නයකලා, හේරත් ලා, පමණක් නොව මහරුෆ් , නිවාස් ඇතුළු ගොවි නායකයන් ඇතුළු පරපුරේ මුහුණු බැබලෙන අයුරු මට තාම මතකය.

ඒ ඊළඟ කන්නය සඳහා කඩවර දෙවියන්ගේ සපෝට් එක කට්ටියට ලැබෙන බව ස්ථිර නිසාය.

කඩවර හෝ වන්නියේ සිටින ප්‍රාදේශීය දෙවියන්ට පුජා පැවැත්වීම බවුද්ධ හෝ ඉස්ලාම් ආගමේ හෝ දේවල් නොවේ.
මේ සියල්ල මෙරටේ ඇති සිංහල බවුද්ධ සංස්කෘතිය යි. එය එක ආගමකට හෝ ජාතියකට අයත් එකක් නොවේ. මේ රටේ සියල්ලන්ම පරිණාමය වී ඇත්තේ මෙම පසුබිමේ බව හරියටම දැනෙන්නේ මුස්ලිම් හෝ ක්‍රිස්තියානි රටකට ගිය විටය.

දැන් මේ සිරි ලන්කාවේ මෙවන් සංස්කෘති, සහජිවන ගැන මෙලෝ දෙයක් නොදන්නා ටවුන් වල ගෙවල් තුලට වී කොම්පියුටර් කොටන ජිවිතයේ එක් අන්තයක් පමණක් දකින්නට සිදුවී ඇති සිංහල කොල්ලන් මෙන්ම මුස්ලිම් කොල්ලන්ද , මිට වසර දහස් ගානකට පෙර ඇතිවූ ආගමික පොත්වල මෙහෙම දේවල් ලියා නැතැයි කෙස් පැලෙන තර්ක ගෙනෙනු ඇත.

කොහෙද ඉන්නා කඩවරයෙකුට පුජා පවත්වන මිත්‍යා දෘෂ්ටික අය බවුද්ධ විය හැකිද ? මහා බලධාරී එකම දෙවියන්ට මිස මෙහෙම තව අයට බාර හාර වෙන්න පුළුවන් ද ?... .. මෙවැනි තර්ක වලින් පටන් ගෙන අන්තිමේ ආගම් කර්තෘ වරුන්ටද කුණු හරුපෙන් බැන ගනිමින් කි බෝඩ් එකේ මරා ගන්නට සුදානම් වෙන අයද සිටිය හැක.

නමුත් අපේ වැවු ගම්වල දහස් ගණන් ජනතාව කිසිම අමාරුවක් නැතුව ඒ සංස්කෘතියේ එකට යෙදී පසුව පන්සල් යති. තම ආගම යැදීමට පල්ලියට දුවති. එකිනෙකාගේ පුද්ගලිකත්වය හා වෙනස් වූ විශ්වාසයන් ගැන විහිලු නොකරති. මේ අවබෝධය හා හිතවත් කම් ගොඩ නැගෙන්නේ සැමටම එක්ව විසඳා ගන්නට පොදු ජිවන ගැටළු ඇති බැවින් විය හැක.

වසර ගානකට පසු මා එම ප්‍රදේශ වලට ගියවිට කට ඇරගෙන කෑගසමින් දුව විත් මා බදා ගත් මුස්ලිම් ජාතික ගොවි මහතා වහාම අනිත් ඇලේ මූලිකයා වී සිටින සිංහල ගොවිමහතා ට මොබයිල් එකෙන් කතා කරන්නේ හවසට වැව් කණ්ඩියේ සිහිල් සුලන් වදිමින් හීන් අඩියකට සෙට් වෙන්නට අවශ්‍ය අඩුම කුඩුම හා කට්ටිය එකතු කර ගන්න ය.

අපේ ඉන්ටර්නෙට් යුද්ද කාරයෝ මොනවා කිව්වත් ඇත ගොවි ගම්මානයක මේ වන් වේලාවකදී අප ලබන සතුට හා ආදරය ලියා දැක්විය නොහැකිය.

එකම වැවේ ජලය එකම ඇල වේලි වලින් දහස් ගණනක් වූ තම තමන්ගේ කුඹුරු වලට බෙදා ගැනීමේ මහා කාරියට රැස්වන කන්න රැස්වීමේ පටන් කන්නය පුරා එක යායට එකට වැඩ කරමින්, කිඩෑවට පුරුක් පනුවට එකසේ මුහුණ දෙමින් තමන්ට අවැසි බොහෝ දේ තමන්ම සරි කර ගන්නා ඒ මිනිස්සුන්ට අපේ හලාල් යුද්ධය විහිළුවකි.

මේ කෙසේ කිවත් අද අප අපව හඳුනා ගන්නේ අතලොස්සක් වූ මුලධර්ම කාරයන් හා මෙලෝ හසරක් දන්නේ නැති ආගම් පිස්සන් හා ආගම බිස්නස් එකක් කරගෙන සිටින ගිහි පැවිදි පුජ්‍ය පුජක අය කරන කියන දේ වලිනි.

වැදගත් වූ බහුතරය තමන්ගේ පාඩුවේ ආගම දහම අදහාගෙන එකිනෙකා කෙරෙහි සාමයෙන් ජිවත් වෙති.
ඒ මිනිස්සු ඉන්ටර්නෙට් එකේ තියෙන ලේ රත් වෙන කතා දන්නේ වත් නැත. ඒ නොබලන බැවිනි.

දවස පුරා සයිබර් අවකාශයේ සැරි සරණ ඊළඟ පරම්පරාව මොනවා කරගනී දැයි දන්නේ නැත.


- Chinwi 2013-02-23 1.40 a.m. Colombo Sri Lanka.

Ela..Ela.., You are great Chinwi,
Simple words, but you are telling big story. We have to respect to all religions. Religions have to guide people for good thing.

Hope problem will solve near future.

You are exactly right Chinwi.....But very few people understand this.It is mainly because this outdated westernised educational system.I can remember once some ministers tried to eradicate the History and Literature from the syllabus.Our people are brain-washed.....Only a handful can think beyond these limitations.Unfortunately eventhough our present government has succeded in defeating terrorism and defending country they have also failed in these areas.

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full know
ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

Ok, I will ask one question, Is ACJU incorporated in Sri Lankan law?, If you listen to the parliament debate led by the opposition leader you will realize this.

It was incorporated by the Act No. 51 of 2000 of the Parliament of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

Dear WB, I am repeating again, don't post anything without proper knowledge regarding that matter.

Don't make statement blindly stating he said, she said, do a research & then post

WildBear wrote:

bakapandithaya wrote:

WildBear wrote:Does ACJA audit their accounts and reveal to public ?

WB, if u don't have full knowledge about something, pls don't discuss till u get full know
ACJU have external audit & even u can go & check their a/cs. This is mentioned in their media release.

Hereafter, don't post anything without full knowledge regarding that subject:evil:

Ok, I will ask one question, Is ACJU incorporated in Sri Lankan law?, If you listen to the parliament debate led by the opposition leader you will realize this.

It was incorporated by the Act No. 51 of 2000 of the Parliament of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka.

Dear WB, I am repeating again, don't post anything without proper knowledge regarding that matter.

Don't make statement blindly stating he said, she said, do a research & then post

@Bakapanditaya, I'm not criticizing or arguing about the Basis of Halal, I have no issue about that, What I wanted to tell you is ACJA practice is very different from their preach.

Since you told me not to talk what I do not know, now I'll tell What I know,Because I talked only what I knew very well. I can give you real evidence if you want. This story is about a paultry company(Not listed in CSE) in Sri Lanka starts with a letter"N". They Pay 6 figure fee to ACJA to get their Halal certificate. Not only that, When they requested the certificate, The ACJA via the Mosque in that area appointed a young guy(Without considering his educational or professional qualifications) as the monitor of Halal Process in that company, and they have to pay a 25 000 salary, Motor Cycle with fuel and other allowances to that person. So do you say this is justifiable ? Again I say, I can tell you the exact name of the company, and other details if you want..

Bro,He must be the one slaughtering chicken there.If He cut over 250000 chickens(10000x25days), it could cost below 10 cents.
By the way,what is their workers salary ?as per normal slaughter method company still need a worker to hook the live chicken on the conveyer ( if they are using). They save that wage right?

Let us see the big picture. By taking halal tag , This company is able to compete with BFL( to reach Muslim) and companies in M East ( if there are exporting).

Bro, Businesses do not think how we think !