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sampath2009 · 1 Dear Experts ! Please Help Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:53 pm

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Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Slstock · 2 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm

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If there is a group or consolidated figures we go with them.

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slstock wrote:If there is a group or consolidated figures we go with them.

Thanks Machan

rainmaker · 4 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:16 pm

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You buy the Company. The Company may have subsidiaries and hence apart from the company's performance there is a group performance.

Hence using a group result is not incorrect. BUT note that the dividends would be distributed via the listed company and hence cash has to flow to the listed firm from it's investments.

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rainmaker wrote:You buy the Company. The Company may have subsidiaries and hence apart from the company's performance there is a group performance.

Hence using a group result is not incorrect. BUT note that the dividends would be distributed via the listed company and hence cash has to flow to the listed firm from it's investments.

Thanks RAINMAKER , got it. Thanks a lot bro !

smallville · 6 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:34 am

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Your friend is wrong Wink

We usually go with group performance.. Idea was highlighted by the rainmaker above..

The group statements are usually informative, while the company statements provide little information. For example, the balance sheet of a listed company which is a holding company will have subsidiaries as its main asset (hence a single item as its assets). The consolidated balance sheet will show the actual assets (PPE, inventories, cash, etc) of the various subsidiaries it has. Same goes for income statement as well.

Chinwi · 7 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:28 pm

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sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ? tongue

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

seek · 8 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:15 pm

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Chinwi wrote:

sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ?

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

අය්යා සම්පත්ට මචන් කියන්ට ඔයා වයස වැඩි නේද ?. එයා තාම A/L කරපු පොඩි කොල්ලෙක් වගේ .

Monster · 9 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:26 pm

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Sampath machanglagen prashnayak ahadhdhi, chinwi ayya machang kiyala uththara dena eke ahulak ne ne.

seek wrote:

Chinwi wrote:

sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ?

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

අය්යා සම්පත්ට මචන් කියන්ට ඔයා වයස වැඩි නේද ?. එයා තාම A/L කරපු පොඩි කොල්ලෙක් වගේ .

sampath2009 · 10 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:43 pm

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Chinwi wrote:

sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ?

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

Thanks Machan... Mage oluwa hondatama narak wela thiyenne. 50% kiyanawa group fig balanna kiyala mama kalin baluweth ehemai. mage aluth adviser kiyanawa company balanna kiyala. invest karana un athara kisima ekagathawayak ne mokak da hari kiyala. samaharu kiyanawa group ekai company ekai 2 kama balanna ona kiyala. Aiyo salary !!!! Mad

mata nikan pissu wage Mad

sampath2009 · 11 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:46 pm

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seek wrote:

Chinwi wrote:

sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ?

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

අය්යා සම්පත්ට මචන් කියන්ට ඔයා වයස වැඩි නේද ?. එයා තාම A/L කරපු පොඩි කොල්ලෙක් වගේ .

Photo eke 2008 gatta ekak. math dan tikak wayasai... eka nisa awulak ne. by the way thanks for your post Crying or Very sad

sampath2009 · 12 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:48 pm

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kisi awulak ne. Machan kiyana wachaneta wayasak ne ne machan. Ape siya thama allapu gedara uncle ta kiyanne Machan kiyala. habai u ape ekata wada 20 years withara balai..... Laughing

Monster wrote:Sampath machanglagen prashnayak ahadhdhi, chinwi ayya machang kiyala uththara dena eke ahulak ne ne.

seek wrote:

Chinwi wrote:

sampath2009 wrote:Machanla mata podi case ekak thiyenawa calculation wala. Mama mechchara kal ratio balanna gatte group eke figures. eth mata ada ekek kiyanawa group eka ganna eka waradilu. company eke figures lu ganna ona. mokak da hari ? group eke data gannada ? company eke data ganna da ? please help.

Maara case ekak ne. !
Kawuda machan oya Company figures ganna kiyapu eka ?
Oota kompani ganna kiyala umba Group figures ganin machan.
OK machan ?

Me prashne godak denekuta mulinma ena ekak thamayi.
Mehema dewal ahana eka hondayi. Me gana sure nathuwa hitapu anith ayatath danaganna puluwan ne.

අය්යා සම්පත්ට මචන් කියන්ට ඔයා වයස වැඩි නේද ?. එයා තාම A/L කරපු පොඩි කොල්ලෙක් වගේ .

Chinwi · 13 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:20 pm

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I believe the cast and creed / race , religion, age, gender , education levels, profession etc. are immaterial in addressing the members in the forums like this. We all come with pseudo identity.

It is true the regular visitors develop some virtual? friendship and get familiar with our personal attitudes, details and background.

thanks

Roboticfx · 14 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:37 pm

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Dear Friend,

My answer is also to analyze the consolidated financial statement. I can further explain it for better understand.

Take X as the company, you consider and Y as its subsidiary. Imagine there are current assets worth 500,000 and 400,000 which the 1st is belong to X and 2nd is belonged to Y. It is shown clearly at below.

______________ Asset______ Value

X_____________01_______ 500000
Y_____________02_______ 400000

Next imagine there are two current liabilities worth 250,0000 and 800,000.

______________ Liability______Value

X______________01________250,000
Y _____________ 02________800,000

Now I add them together and create the consolidated values.

Total Current Assets = 900,000
Total Current Liabilities = 1,050,000

Lets we calculate the Quick Acid Ratio. First we take only the assets and liabilities belonged only to X.

=Current Assets/Current Liabilities

=500,000/250,000
=2 (Decision: Strong. Company has sufficient liquid assets to cover its current liabilities)

Second we take the consolidated values.

=Current Assets/Current Liabilities

=900,000/1,050,000
=0.86 (Decision: Weak. The company doesn't have sufficient liquid assets to cover its current liabilities)

I suppose now you can understand the reason. Consolidated values (Group) provide you the most correct view. For further info, post it under the topic. Smile

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seek · 15 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:11 pm

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@Chinwi just kidding. hope u got it

sampath2009 · 16 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:11 pm

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Roboticfx wrote:Dear Friend,

My answer is also to analyze the consolidated financial statement. I can further explain it for better understand.

Take X as the company, you consider and Y as its subsidiary. Imagine there are current assets worth 500,000 and 400,000 which the 1st is belong to X and 2nd is belonged to Y. It is shown clearly at below.

______________ Asset______ Value

X_____________01_______ 500000
Y_____________02_______ 400000

Next imagine there are two current liabilities worth 250,0000 and 800,000.

______________ Liability______Value

X______________01________250,000
Y _____________ 02________800,000

Now I add them together and create the consolidated values.

Total Current Assets = 900,000
Total Current Liabilities = 1,050,000

Lets we calculate the Quick Acid Ratio. First we take only the assets and liabilities belonged only to X.

=Current Assets/Current Liabilities

=500,000/250,000
=2 (Decision: Strong. Company has sufficient liquid assets to cover its current liabilities)

Second we take the consolidated values.

=Current Assets/Current Liabilities

=900,000/1,050,000
=0.86 (Decision: Weak. The company doesn't have sufficient liquid assets to cover its current liabilities)

I suppose now you can understand the reason. Consolidated values (Group) provide you the most correct view. For further info, post it under the topic.

Thank you very much !

sampath2009 · 17 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:13 pm

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Chinwi wrote:I believe the cast and creed / race , religion, age, gender , education levels, profession etc. are immaterial in addressing the members in the forums like this. We all come with pseudo identity.

It is true the regular visitors develop some virtual? friendship and get familiar with our personal attitudes, details and background.

thanks

Chinwi.... tharaha gihin da ? Cool

sampath2009 · 18 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:18 pm

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seek wrote:@Chinwi just kidding. hope u got it

bullrun · 19 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:13 am

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If you buy JKH, you are buying the group of companies indirectly as an example. So, you have to look group performance. that is all.

Arena · 20 Re: Dear Experts ! Please Help Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:18 am

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If you take JKH. Company Rev. for the last quarter is just around 171m if I am not mistaken. And the Group Rev. is around 20m + ........So if you analyses the Company info Sudda fellow will never buy this share.

If you have a 100% dedicated company just to act as the Holding company, we don’t see single figure under Rev. But Holding company will get Dividends from subsidiaries. In the case of JKH I think JKH company gets consultancy fee as the revenue……..no idea.

Nobody will give you loans against the companies P&L. For an example if JKH produces their Company accounts the real picture is not reflected. You can just see the Investments Company has done over last year’s through the balance sheet under investments in subsidiaries and associated but those are not revalued.

So only the Consolidated/Group accounts reflect the real situation but make sure to exclude the minority holding.

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