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The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
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I fished out an old Colombo Brokers Association Hand book of Rupee companies from 1979-1983.
If you need a blast from the past, I will be happy to give you statistics from that era.

Kicking it of with details for Buki in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 2.5 million
Number of shares issued - 100,000 (increased to 400,000 in 1979/1980)
NAV - Rs 333
EPS - Rs 25
Dividend - Rs 12.50
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 55

They dont come so cheap anymore i guess ! Smile

adding further.... (1979 details)

1 usd = Rs 15.55 in 1979 (34 years later 1 usd = 126)
Gold = usd 307 per ounce cumulative average price (34 years later = approx 1400 per ounce)
Prime Havelock Road real estate (30 perch + house) = Rs 1.8 Million (Today Rs 150 Million ?)

Rs 55 invested in Buki in 1979 = Rs 720,000 in 2013
usd 3.50 invested in Buki in 1979 = usd 5700 in 2013

In 1979, Microsoft IPO happened at usd 27 per share
In 2000, Microsoft was trading split adjusted at usd 3375, up 125 times in 21 years !



Last edited by The Alchemist on Sat May 25, 2013 12:00 am; edited 3 times in total

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 6:55 pm by Kithsiri

@Chinwi wrote:දැන් ඉන්න තරුණ අයත් තව වසර 20-30 යනකොට මේ වගේ කියන්න පුළුවන් වෙන කොටස් මොනවද කියල හොයා ගන්න එක හොඳයි .
නිකමට අරගෙන දාල අමතක කරලා ඉන්න.
ඔය මල් කඩන්න , රිංග් ටෝන් දාගන්න විසි කරන සල්ලි වලින්.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Post Fri May 24, 2013 7:19 pm by traderathome

I have been telling my daughter and son..and also letting them see what i do....hopefully they will take up into equity investment..... Very Happy

Post Fri May 24, 2013 7:50 pm by anu

Lovely thread...thanks to Alchem.

Those are the days the investment were confined largely at institutional level and a privileged few at personal investor level..

Post Fri May 24, 2013 8:42 pm by The Alchemist

The Ceylon Brewery Ltd (BREW) in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 2.6 million
Number of shares issued - 504,976
NAV - Rs 31
EPS - Rs 5.15
Dividend - Rs 1.75
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 10 (high 15, low 10)

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 8:49 pm by sahan8896

Is there a place to get share price from the first date of trading?

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 8:52 pm by The Alchemist

Ceylon Tobacco Limited (CTC) in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 26 million
Number of shares issued - 10,240,000
NAV - Rs 14.40
EPS - Rs 2.53
Dividend - Rs 1.60
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 8 (high 15, low Cool
low price is rs 8 - i dont know how that smiley icon got there !

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 8:58 pm by The Alchemist

Acme Aluminium (Acme) in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 3.7 million
Number of shares issued - 548,856
NAV - Rs 26
EPS - Rs 6.75
Dividend - Rs 1.50
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 10 (high 17, low 10)

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 9:07 pm by sahan8896

The Alchemist,where are you getting these figures?

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 9:08 pm by The Alchemist

ACL in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 658,700
Number of shares issued - 160,020
NAV - Rs 31.44
EPS - Rs 4.11
Dividend - Rs 1.50
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 11 (high 15, low 11.5)

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 9:11 pm by The Alchemist

@sahan8896 wrote:The Alchemist,where are you getting these figures?

Please look at my opening comments at the beginning of this entire thread.

sriranga

Post Fri May 24, 2013 9:16 pm by sriranga

@The Alchemist wrote:I fished out an old Colombo Brokers Association Hand book of Rupee companies from 1979-1983.
If you need a blast from the past, I will be happy to give you statistics from that era.

Kicking it of with details for Buki in FY 1978/1979

Profit - Rs 2.5 million
Number of shares issued - 100,000 (increased to 400,000 in 1979/1980)
NAV - Rs 333
EPS - Rs 25
Dividend - Rs 12.50
Share Price as at 31st March 1979 - Rs 55

They dont come so cheap anymore i guess ! Smile

adding further....

I think 1 usd = Rs 20 in 1979 (can someone reconfirm this ?)
Rs 55 invested in Buki in 1979 = Rs 720,000 in 2013
usd 2.50 invested in Buki in 1979 = usd 5700 in 2013

In 1979, Microsoft IPO happened at usd 27 per share
In 2000, Microsoft was trading split adjusted at usd 3375, up 125 times in 21 years !

1979 start and year end currency rates.
A walk down memory lane ..... - Page 2 Dec30110

A walk down memory lane ..... - Page 2 Jan02110
http://www.tititudorancea.com/

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 9:23 pm by The Alchemist

@ Sriranga - Thanks ! Thats super info. so 1 USD = Rs 15.55. (in 1979)
I was looking all over the net for this but could not find !
You truly are a master !

Jiggysaurus

Post Fri May 24, 2013 10:36 pm by Jiggysaurus

@Chinwi wrote:
ඔය මල් කඩන්න , රිංග් ටෝන් දාගන්න විසි කරන සල්ලි වලින්.


ayyo Chinwi tharuna kale mal kadanne nathuwa marunata passe mal kadandada kiyanna?

just as there are good stories about holding shares for centuries there is the other side as well.
in 90s VANI was supposed to be the next JKH, shares worth 100 rupees turned into zero in around 7 years.
even three years ago Greggers was the hot number with the crap mine story, shares worth 150+ turned into 20- in around 3 years.
Better to pick flowers than buy shares like that.

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 10:44 pm by kukumarx

@Jiggysaurus wrote:
@Chinwi wrote:
ඔය මල් කඩන්න , රිංග් ටෝන් දාගන්න විසි කරන සල්ලි වලින්.


ayyo Chinwi tharuna kale mal kadanne nathuwa marunata passe mal kadandada kiyanna?

just as there are good stories about holding shares for centuries there is the other side as well.
in 90s VANI was supposed to be the next JKH, shares worth 100 rupees turned into zero in around 7 years.
even three years ago Greggers was the hot number with the crap mine story, shares worth 150+ turned into 20- in around 3 years.
Better to pick flowers than buy shares like that.

JKH grew by Di-versification-
For Vanik it was Di-worse-sification

They borrowed and borrowed and borrowed at high interest rates and grew aggressively and couldn't sustain when the slowdown came.

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Post Fri May 24, 2013 11:52 pm by Leon

Very interesting alchem... For genuine investors the real challenge is to pick the correct value shares which are going to be the winners in the next decade. But to do so, what are the man factors to be looked into?? Coz in the long run EPS,PE and NAV may not be the "Most Important".

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Post Sat May 25, 2013 12:08 am by Gaja

Very Interesting Info friend, wish i also could have bought some shares in 78/79, but the main concern was even my parents not married that time!

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Post Sat May 25, 2013 12:42 am by nalaka_sg

I strongly believe that next 20 to 30 years of this country more exiting than past 30 or 20 years.

we learned lot of things in hard-way (the evil of nationalism, Marxism, racism and terrorism) while other nations prosper learning from our mistakes (Malaysia,, Singapore and most east Asian countries). but learning form that way is much better than learning by others mistakes. I feel like economy,history, strength and existence of a country is much similar stock market. time to time there will be bear and bull ..but in long term we growing. that's how we survive almost 3000 years. Sad Sad sad we were born in wrong time.


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Post Sat May 25, 2013 12:47 am by taniya1111

@seek wrote:I don't think CFVF is a growing company. It has a cyclicle business. It seems you have bought it back. Is that you put 85,000 order at 16 on wednesday?.
It was not me who placed 85,000 buying order at 16, I am not buying or selling large quantities at once, I dont want to promote those shares as i have never had some shares i mentioned and i dont have any of mentioned shares at the moment. At the moment cfvf can't be considered as a growing company but as i think it has the potential to be a future winner, its management is not that bad either. they have got orient finance and DNH finance with them. So what they have to do is to expand their business more, specially to be a leading finance company while investing on bonds.

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Post Sat May 25, 2013 6:58 pm by The Alchemist

@The Alchemist wrote:
In 1979, 1 usd = Rs 15.55
In 2000, 1 usd = Rs 90

In 1979, Gold = usd 307 per ounce (average price)
In 1979, Prime Havelock Road Real Estate (30 perch + house) = Rs 1.8 Million

In 1979, Microsoft IPO happened at usd 27 per share
In 2000, Microsoft was trading split adjusted at usd 3375, up 125 times in 21 years !
In 1979, Buki which had 100,000 shares issued was trading at Rs 55 on 31st March 1979
In 2000, Buki which has 400,000 shares issued was trading at Rs 400 on 31st March 2000


Maths Question for anyone interested (or otherwise bored) -

Given above data, between 1979 and now, Rs 1 hypothetically invested in 1979 (and actively managed) could have amounted to how much now ?

Note - Rs 1 Hypothetically invested in 1979 does not mean literally or actually Rs 1 !

sriranga

Post Sat May 25, 2013 7:23 pm by sriranga

@kukumarx wrote:JKH was first listed in the late 8o's. The issue price was Rs 10/- per share. I wonder what that 10 Re share will be worth now(with dividends & bonus) !

Also Nest issued shares in the early 80's. You got LSD (lump sum depreciation) if you bought the share. That is you could write off the entire amount of shares brought and reduce your taxable income. My father bought about 4000 shares then for the princely sum of Rs 40,000/-. The share struggled for years and he finally sold later for Rs 21 per share. If he had held on!

But at the same time he also bought Taj. Same set up (LSD). Didn't get him anywhere! Now only Rs 30 (30 years later)

Win some- loose some. But thinking back, more winners than loosers.


A walk down memory lane ..... - Page 2 Jkh110

A walk down memory lane ..... - Page 2 Jkh210

A walk down memory lane ..... - Page 2 Jkh111
Source: JKH Annual Reports 2004 & 2012

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Post Sat May 25, 2013 8:13 pm by The Alchemist

JKH Established 1979 and Quoted 1986


John Keells Holdings (JKH) in FY 1986/1987

Profit - Rs 14.6 million
Number of shares issued - 10 million
NAV - Rs 26.27
EPS - Rs 1.46
Dividend - Rs 1
Price 31st March 1987 - Rs 11 (Hi Rs 25.25, Low Rs 8.75,)
FY 86/87 - Number of shares traded = 788,456, Turnover = Rs 14,722,113

So,

1 Share of JKH @ Rs 11 as at 31st March 1987 is equal 85 shares @ Rs 300 in May 2013.
Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs)


sriranga

Post Sat May 25, 2013 8:25 pm by sriranga

@The Alchemist wrote:JKH Established 1979 and Quoted 1986


John Keells Holdings (JKH) in FY 1986/1987

Profit - Rs 14.6 million
Number of shares issued - 10 million
NAV - Rs 26.27
EPS - Rs 1.46
Dividend - Rs 1
Price 31st March 1987 - Rs 11 (Hi Rs 25.25, Low Rs 8.75,)
FY 86/87 - Number of shares traded = 788,456, Turnover = Rs 14,722,113

So,

1 Share of JKH @ Rs 11 as at 31st March 1987 is equal 85 shares @ Rs 300 in May 2013.
Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs)


Fact.
Another one
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t12425-brainteaser-quiz-result-cic-company-detail-updated?highlight=brainteaser

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Post Sun May 26, 2013 12:40 pm by The Alchemist

@The Alchemist wrote:JKH Established 1979 and Quoted 1986


John Keells Holdings (JKH) in FY 1986/1987

Profit - Rs 14.6 million
Number of shares issued - 10 million
NAV - Rs 26.27
EPS - Rs 1.46
Dividend - Rs 1
Price 31st March 1987 - Rs 11 (Hi Rs 25.25, Low Rs 8.75,)
FY 86/87 - Number of shares traded = 788,456, Turnover = Rs 14,722,113

So,

1 Share of JKH @ Rs 11 as at 31st March 1987 is equal 85 shares @ Rs 300 in May 2013.
Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)


Hayleys was Established 1952 and Quoted in 1953

Hayleys in FY 1986/1987

Profit - Rs 83 million
Number of shares issued - 3 million
NAV - Rs 93
EPS - Rs 27.60
Dividend - Rs 3.30
Price 31st March 1987 - Rs 130 (Hi Rs 199, Low Rs 90.25)
FY 86/87 - Number of shares traded = 101,105, Turnover = seems to be error

So,

1 Share of Hayleys @ Rs 130 as at 31st March 1987 is equal 25 shares @ Rs 320 in May 2013.
Rs 1 in Hayleys in 1987 = Rs 62 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)


Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)
Rs 1 in Hayleys in 1987 = Rs 62 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)

sriranga

Post Sun May 26, 2013 1:18 pm by sriranga

@The Alchemist wrote:
Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)
Rs 1 in Hayleys in 1987 = Rs 62 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)

Similar to Hayleys another one is Singer Sri Lanka
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t12377-singer-srilanka-plc-dividend-bonus-right?highlight=singer

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Post Sun May 26, 2013 1:33 pm by The Alchemist

@sriranga wrote:
@The Alchemist wrote:
Rs 1 in JKH in 1987 = Rs 2318 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)
Rs 1 in Hayleys in 1987 = Rs 62 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)

Similar to Hayleys another one is Singer Sri Lanka
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t12377-singer-srilanka-plc-dividend-bonus-right?highlight=singer

1 Share of Singer Sri-Lanka @ Rs 36 as at 31st March '87 is equal 27 shares @ Rs 104 in May'13.
Rs 1 in Singer in 1987 = Rs 78 today (ignoring Rights Issue costs & Dividends Received)


Btw - I made a mistake on the Microsoft IPO date - It happened in 1986 at usd 21 Per share.
I cannot seem to edit those details in thread header.

“If you had the good fortune to have bought 100 shares at the $21 offering price that day and sat on the investment for 25 years, it would have mushroomed into 28,800 shares over the course of nine stock splits and be worth about three quarters of a million dollars today,” he wrote. “That’s the good news. Here’s the disheartening caveat: Had you instead sold your stash on Dec. 1, 1999, when Microsoft’s stock price reached its peak, you would have reaped $1.4 million.”

This was reported on March 13th 2011

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Post Sun May 26, 2013 2:11 pm by Bond

I know this is unlisted but I remember Capital Maharaja had a turnover of 4 billion .... yes 4 billion... in 1990

Slstock

Post Sun May 26, 2013 2:20 pm by Slstock

Do you know how much now?


@Bond wrote:I know this is unlisted but I remember Capital Maharaja had a turnover of 4 billion .... yes 4 billion... in 1990

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Post Sun May 26, 2013 2:41 pm by Bond

@slstock wrote:Do you know how much now?


@Bond wrote:I know this is unlisted but I remember Capital Maharaja had a turnover of 4 billion .... yes 4 billion... in 1990

Correction it was 5 billion in 1991

http://www.capitalmaharaja.com/index.php/the-group.html

Right now it would be around 100 billion plus. The S-Lon would be the primary driver
We can only guess what they earn

They also had bottling rights for Pepsi which they sold.



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Post Sun May 26, 2013 5:07 pm by stocks hunter

This is what i'm always telling here. Share trading is purely for the future. It's an investment for the future.

All the above mentioned share prices are without dividends, right issues, bonus issues. The return should be more than this.

But there are some pundits here whom are specialised for trading and these people are trying to take the forum to their hands. That's why they were against me when I mentioned about VONE a future winning company. Just see their developments for the last 4 years.

Forum like this should educate people to invest but not for trading or gambling. Is it happening here.??????????

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Post Sun May 26, 2013 5:16 pm by stocks hunter

Friends,

Don't use your brain too much for searching data in 70 or 80. Just see 4 years back BFL was Rs 18. 6 years back DIST was Rs 3.50. ACAP was Rs 2.50. HASU was at Rs 20 levels. CONN at Rs 3.00 levels etc etc.......

I would like to mention VONE by 5 years time will reach to Rs ... levels. It is almost an investment company like CINV and GUAR. Just check prices of these two couple of years back.

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