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41Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:21 am

ccsentha


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics
@The Alchemist wrote:
@ccsentha wrote:
@Jake Sully wrote:
@ccsentha wrote:

There are common director in expolanka holdings and in aberdeen holding (Pvt) Ltd. But in EXPO annual report it is not mentioned. They are mentioning the name of the other companies in which they are directors but they DO NOT TALK ABOUT aberdeen in the annual report
If it's not a subsidiary then you don't have to mention the directorship. In that case there are lots of directors in most of the major listed companies who are also directors in several of the unrelated companies.
It's not mandatory, but almost every company mentions the other directorship held by their companies, EXPO too have done like that, they have mentioned softlogic, AMSL, ASIR, lanka tiles, vpel, etc.. like that many other companies as their directors are holding positions in those companies too, but they don't mention anything about Aberdeen, when they talk about 3rd party companies and then not mention their associate company it doesn't sound right!!!!
@ccsentha - again, you miss the point entirely my friend. and your also not making any sense in your argument. read again. also note AR date & transaction date. Just bcos Aberdeen has common directors with EXPO, if there is no related party transactions as at AR date, then no need for disclosure. Their is no need for EXPO to disclose anything about a private unlisted company aberdeen, just bcos of a common shareholding, directorate, if there are no related party transactions, and there may have being none, as at AR date.
You didn't get my point. I'm not talking about the market disclosures. I'm talking about the directors brief description in the annual report. I never said that this is mandatory.
By the way I'm not new to the share market.

42Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:33 am

K.Haputantri


Co-Admin
Alchemist, you have not properly understood what I said. What is criminal not the prospectus error. It is the intentional use of EXPO IPO for pump & dump which is criminal. Now that the submissions of the defense is closed I do not want to reopen the case. Let the jury give their opinion.

43Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 11:55 am

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@K.Haputantri wrote:Alchemist, you have not properly understood what I said. What is criminal not the prospectus error. It is the intentional use of EXPO IPO for pump & dump which is criminal. 

On thurs 7th Nov at 3.46 pm
K.Haputantri wrote:
The following link also usefull.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t3352-expo-error-in-prospectus-admitted?highlight=EXPO+IPO

They profited through a loop-hole in SEC regulations but submitting a prospectus without price sensitive info is a crime. If I were the SEC Chairman, I suspend the IPO for three months untill proper prospectus is issued. They should not be allowed to play with public funds like this.

44Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:23 pm

K.Haputantri


Co-Admin
@The Alchemist wrote:
@K.Haputantri wrote:Alchemist, you have not properly understood what I said. What is criminal not the prospectus error. It is the intentional use of EXPO IPO for pump & dump which is criminal. 
On thurs 7th Nov at 3.46 pm
K.Haputantri wrote:
The following link also usefull.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t3352-expo-error-in-prospectus-admitted?highlight=EXPO+IPO

They profited through a loop-hole in SEC regulations but submitting a prospectus without price sensitive info is a crime. If I were the SEC Chairman, I suspend the IPO for three months untill proper prospectus is issued. They should not be allowed to play with public funds like this.
Yes, the word crime was used in my comment on the 7th inadvertantly, but on 8th instant I was referring to your comment on the same day where I dealt with the criminal act of Pump & Dump in detail. Got it?

45Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 1:04 pm

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@K.Haputantri wrote:
@The Alchemist wrote:
@K.Haputantri wrote:Alchemist, you have not properly understood what I said. What is criminal not the prospectus error. It is the intentional use of EXPO IPO for pump & dump which is criminal. 
On thurs 7th Nov at 3.46 pm
K.Haputantri wrote:
The following link also usefull.

http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t3352-expo-error-in-prospectus-admitted?highlight=EXPO+IPO

They profited through a loop-hole in SEC regulations but submitting a prospectus without price sensitive info is a crime. If I were the SEC Chairman, I suspend the IPO for three months untill proper prospectus is issued. They should not be allowed to play with public funds like this.
Yes, the word crime was used in my comment on the 7th inadvertantly, but on 8th instant I was referring to your comment on the same day where I dealt with the criminal act of Pump & Dump in detail. Got it?
Yes, a pump and dump is a criminal act. to refer to the EXPO IPO as a Pump & Dump has no legal, moral or ethical basis. it is an malicious, arbitrary assumption arrived at with bias & prejudice
after the fact, purely based on current price vs ipo price.  

in other words, if EXPO share was trading at Rs 30, we would not be having this debate, would we ? Since the Directors / Owners of EXPO, did not sell there shares after the IPO (Dump), The loophole / no lock in period clause does not arise, as even if their was no loophole i.e. lock in period was there, they did not violate it since they did not sell their shares after the ipo.
The Pump did not arise as there was a prospectus and there was no manipulation of offer price. there was offer & acceptance. the consideration price at that time seemed fair to all parties.
only now, just bcos the market came down subsequently and therefore the price of EXPO has halved, it is unfair to refer now to ipo price then as a pump & dump.

46Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:14 pm

K.Haputantri

K.Haputantri
Co-Admin
?Are you double sure it was IPO buyers who bought @ Rs:14/= dumped EXPO shares below IPO price and not those who bought @ Rs:6.00 per share.

47Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 2:36 pm

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@K.Haputantri wrote:?Are you double sure it was IPO buyers who bought @ Rs:14/= dumped EXPO shares below IPO price and not those who bought @ Rs:6.00 per share.
no i am not double sure. it may be fairly obvious that some shareholders who participated in the private placement (pp) at Rs 6/- sold post ipo and in between pp & ipo in the grey market. but the directors, owners, jkh, carsons  etc did not sell. the point is just bcos some shareholders who availed themselves of pp sold, and there was no lock in rule in effect for them then, it is not fair to accuse EXPO of a criminal pump & dump now, as all information relating to pp, ipo, grey market price was well known / disseminated in the market, available in a prospectus, endorsed by managers to the issue (JK who also did not sell there shares obtained at pp), supervised by SEC etc.

48Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:11 pm

K.Haputantri

K.Haputantri
Co-Admin
@The Alchemist wrote:
@K.Haputantri wrote:?Are you double sure it was IPO buyers who bought @ Rs:14/= dumped EXPO shares below IPO price and not those who bought @ Rs:6.00 per share.
no i am not double sure. it may be fairly obvious that some shareholders who participated in the private placement (pp) at Rs 6/- sold post ipo and in between pp & ipo in the grey market. but the directors, owners, jkh, carsons  etc did not sell. the point is just bcos some shareholders who availed themselves of pp sold, and there was no lock in rule in effect for them then, it is not fair to accuse EXPO of a criminal pump & dump now, as all information relating to pp, ipo, grey market price was well known / disseminated in the market, available in a prospectus, endorsed by managers to the issue (JK who also did not sell there shares obtained at pp), supervised by SEC etc.
That is a possibility. Another possibility is, as you said in TJL post, real owners may have been people who are not in the director board but bought pp shares. ?These guys indirectly controle such companies. ?What we actually see is not what is really there. Covert operations every where.

49Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:35 pm

Redbulls

Redbulls
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics
Go through the top 20 Share holders list in the listed companies, some of them control by Private limited companies. Most of us not an investor or a trader at CSE only gamblers thats what we do not do research.

50Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:18 pm

TheProfessional2013

TheProfessional2013
Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
EXPO will come down again to 6.6 - 6.9 range. Deal will take time. price was taken up to exit for certain shareholders study 

51Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:31 pm

anges


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
well all of you have gud idea about this share ! what I got to know is the directors have their own private companies as well and the business done for expo thru them ! hence lion share of the profit goes to them thru their private entities ! result being expo share holders get very poor dividend yield ! any idea on this

52Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:18 pm

Zaiban


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
Alchemist... u have been misleading us right through out

Even though LPF was divested and maybe making losses...

Expolanka Commodities (Pvt) Ltd is a valuable company check its ownership of properties based on the 2012 annual report-


Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd - Rs. 74,517,200
No 11A Milepost Avenue,Kollupitiya , Colombo 3
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd- Rs. 76,693,000
No. 228, Keyzer Street, Pettah, Colombo 11
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd -Rs. 20,346,875
Kumara Wanni Palatha, Puttalam
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd -Rs. 198,632,916
No 245/51 Avisawella Road, Orugodawatte, Kolonnawa

Total property value based on annual report:- Over Rs. 370million

I have been reading all your posts.... you may claim not to be working for Expolanka but I am sure you have vested interests through family/ friendship or whatever...

Isn't it funny that they didn't separate the valuation for each company?? Just a blanket Rs. 550million... with no details whatsoever..... what was the basis of valuation?? NBV??? earnings???

What about on going business of the company??

I also know they transfer companies like this when ever they feel like claiming it is at fair value... when it is actually not...they have done this in other listed companies they control...figure out which other companies had similar transfers to private entities...

btw we all know Aberdeen holdings transferred all the more profitable Expo companies just before IPO... but showed the profits of the company in the prospectus... to make sure Rs. 14 is a valuable price to buy into the IPO...

How come they didn't keep the profitable freight operation in Afghanistan/ Pakistan etc with the listed company and instead transferred it to Aberdeen Holdings

53Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:42 pm

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@Zaiban wrote:

How come they didn't keep the profitable freight operation in Afghanistan/ Pakistan etc with the listed company and instead transferred it to Aberdeen Holdings
The excuse given in this thread is that EXPO owners are god fearing so they will not do anything bad:twisted: 

Going by that twisted logic the next time an IPO comes out we'll have to check the god fearance/ non god fearance of the owners before deciding whether to invest or not.

Maybe the chemistry people can tell us, how much does the fear of god add to the net asset value?

54Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Zaiban


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
@Jiggysaurus wrote:
@Zaiban wrote:

How come they didn't keep the profitable freight operation in Afghanistan/ Pakistan etc with the listed company and instead transferred it to Aberdeen Holdings
The excuse given in this thread is that EXPO owners are god fearing so they will not do anything bad:twisted: 

Going by that twisted logic the next time an IPO comes out we'll have to check the god fearance/ non god fearance of the owners before deciding whether to invest or not.

Maybe the chemistry people can tell us, how much does the fear of god add to the net asset value?
Dear jiggy wuteva.... i don't want to bring a religious debate here.. be professional and stick to the point...

I am asking these questions as a shareholder of EXPO.... and since I have quite a bit of info on this group... especially aberdeen....

55Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:55 pm

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Zaiban wrote:Alchemist... u have been misleading us right through out

Even though LPF was divested and maybe making losses...

Expolanka Commodities (Pvt) Ltd is a valuable company check its ownership of properties based on the 2012 annual report-


Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd - Rs. 74,517,200
No 11A Milepost Avenue,Kollupitiya , Colombo 3
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd- Rs. 76,693,000
No. 228, Keyzer Street, Pettah, Colombo 11
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd -Rs. 20,346,875
Kumara Wanni Palatha, Puttalam
Expolanka Commodities Pvt Ltd -Rs. 198,632,916
No 245/51 Avisawella Road, Orugodawatte, Kolonnawa

Total property value based on annual report:- Over Rs. 370million

I have been reading all your posts.... you may claim not to be working for Expolanka but I am sure you have vested interests through family/ friendship or whatever...

Isn't it funny that they didn't separate the valuation for each company?? Just a blanket Rs. 550million... with no details whatsoever..... what was the basis of valuation?? NBV??? earnings???

What about on going business of the company??

I also know they transfer companies like this when ever they feel like claiming it is at fair value... when it is actually not...they have done this in other listed companies they control...figure out which other companies had similar transfers to private entities...

btw we all know Aberdeen holdings transferred all the more profitable Expo companies just before IPO... but showed the profits of the company in the prospectus... to make sure Rs. 14 is a valuable price to buy into the IPO...

How come they didn't keep the profitable freight operation in Afghanistan/ Pakistan etc with the listed company and instead transferred it to Aberdeen Holdings
Zaiban - ok noted. you seem to know a lot more than i do. sorry if you feel i misled anyone. it was certainly not intentional.
i still stand on what i said in the discussion with haputantri on the ipo related issues.
since the disclosure of the recent transfer happened last week and you seem to know more on this, i will take your word.
i am not a shareholder, related or connected party to expo. i dont care two hoots either way.
if you feel there was some unethical issues in this recent sale / disclosure, pls feel free to take whatever action you like, as it is your right as a shareholder.

56Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:39 pm

The Alchemist


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
@Jiggysaurus wrote:
Maybe the chemistry people can tell us, how much does the fear of god add to the net asset value?
yes the chemistry people can tell you. first that chemistry people do not like bigoted peeples.

why ? bcos you have insulted buddhist monks, muslims, jaffna tamils, indian tamils & indians, in various threads in this forum.  

but still hope for you to change your spots as you seem to be a savvy equity related matters type of person, sadly not so equitable.

it does not matter wheather it is the fear of god or love of god, bigotry only diminishes your value, leave aside the net asset. eventually, you may end up as a liability.

57Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:02 pm

Jiggysaurus

Jiggysaurus
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
@The Alchemist wrote:

but still hope for you to change your spots as you seem to be a savvy equity related matters type of person, sadly not so equitable.

thanks, i also don't like racists and cultists who blindly support/promote members of their own cult.
i also hope for you to become less racist and support, the Softlogics and the Laugf Gases when they make unintentional mistakes (just like how you jump and support the god fearing Expos)

58Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:40 pm

Zaiban


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic
@Jiggysaurus wrote:
@The Alchemist wrote:

but still hope for you to change your spots as you seem to be a savvy equity related matters type of person, sadly not so equitable.

thanks, i also don't like racists and cultists who blindly support/promote members of their own cult.
i also hope for you to become less racist and support, the Softlogics and the Laugf Gases when they make unintentional mistakes (just like how you jump and support the god fearing Expos)
listen jiggydinosaurus ....i am of the same "cult" as well

howeva the main messenger of our cult/religion/faith wuteva u may call it... taught us to stand up for the truth even if it is a crime committed against ourselves or fellow cult members....

so don't paint everyone with the same brush.... and make assertions about our cult... without knowing anything about our cult except wut u see on the western news... or rallies conducted in Sri Lanka by unholy thugs...

if u want to know the truth about the teachings of our cult... and who we really are... PM me and I am more than happy to clarify any doubts u have about our cult...

u don't see me attacking ur faith/beliefs/cult...... thts coz we r taught to debate... in a honourable manner... tht in it self is part of our faith...

newayz take care... and PM me if u need anything



59Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:42 am

smallville

smallville
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
Associate Director - Equity Analytics
OK guys calm down.. 'tis is on EXPO so lets stick to that without any racism or whatever anti-XXXXXX matters...

60Disclosure EXPO - Page 3 Empty Re: Disclosure EXPO Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:32 am

Backstage

Backstage
Moderator
Moderator
@Jiggysaurus wrote:
@The Alchemist wrote:

but still hope for you to change your spots as you seem to be a savvy equity related matters type of person, sadly not so equitable.

thanks, i also don't like racists and cultists who blindly support/promote members of their own cult.
i also hope for you to become less racist and support, the Softlogics and the Laugf Gases when they make unintentional mistakes (just like how you jump and support the god fearing Expos)
Having re read Alchemist post I am curious as to how you draw a conclusion that he is rooting for companies that are owned by those of the muslim faith. Is it just from the use word "god fearing" that you draw such a conclusion ? Surely you have been reading his post the past couple of years that have favorable comments on a spectrum of companies. In his discussion with Rainmaker he defends the crossholdings of the Carsons group, does that make him a Hindu fundamentalist as well ? I am genuinely puzzled as to how someone as enlightened as you are on stocks and the market, can have such a primitive,stone age outlook on other peoples beliefs. I am surprised that the forum moderators allow such offensive comments to be published. I don't truck with any institutionalized religion , but,in my book rabid atheism is as despicable an extremist cult as any. It is not my intention to stray from the topic, but as a forum member I cannot but comment as the moderators are not taking any action. I have seen people getting kicked out for far lesser violations of the forum rules. I rest my case.

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