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Investors cry foul over changing rules overnight

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swan03
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mission


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

SEC’s credit rules

In an email to the chairperson and comissioners of the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC), on Wednesday an un-named investor has cried foul over the new T+5 credit rules saying it’s unfair for investors to change the rules overnight.

The letter said:

“Investors should be given at least six months’ notice. Why? The law-abiding true investor buys and sells shares by taking decisions following the current rules. The rule changes should not affect the past. If the SEC says credit should be cleared next month or in the next five days the investor will sell the shares within this month or week adhering to your rule. If you change the rule in the middle of the month after the investor sells his shares you have deliberately made the investor lose money. You have forced the investor to sell the shares with a loss. If the investor kept his shares he could have made a profit when you have changed the rules.

This is a violation of the fundamental rights of the law-abiding citizen. You cannot force a person to sell his ring he’s wearing at half the real price or the full price without his consent, without a reason. You cannot say I changed my mind one hour later. You have to repay the investor’s realized loss and the unrealized profit because your change of mind had cost him.

E.g. - The investor buys ABC shares at 100 on November 1; SEC imposes the rule on November 10 to clear the credit by December 31. The law-abiding intelligent investor calculates that the share price should go down more than 2.5% because of the realistic reason of executing the SEC rule where people have to force-sell shares. The investor hopes to buy the shares after the share price goes down so that he can recover the loss.

Stock prices go down rapidly. The investor sells the shares at the best current market price at 60 and makes a loss of 40% on November 25. The investor does not wait until the December 31 deadline because it will go down further.

High networth investors and institutions lose money. They request SEC to extend the credit clearing period through brokers who are losing commission through low turnover. SEC agrees to change the rule at a private meeting. Remember all the meeting decisions as well as company announcements and reports get leaked to high networth investors and brokers. They use the insider information in their buy and sell decisions.

The law abiding citizen takes the decisions solely on the published reports and the imposed SEC rules he or she sees. SEC changes the rule on November 30 evening by extending the credit clearing date to June 30. The share prices go up again to 100 and settle at 80 and remains at that level. If the law-abiding investor kept his shares he could have sold at a minimum 80 with a loss of only 20% compared 40% real loss. But the investor had to sell them at 60 because the SEC imposed the rule on November saying that credit will be cleared on December 31. But then SEC changed the rule later.

So you cannot change the rules overnight. Stop changing any rules now. Stick to your decisions right or wrong. Give at least six months’ notice for any further changes of rules. Law-abiding citizens follow the existing laws when making decisions. T+5 or price bands or whatever.

The investors who made losses because of the sudden changes in the rules have the right to sue the SEC to recover the realized loss and the unrealized profit by filing a case in the Supreme Court for deliberately forcing the investor to sell the investment at a low value violating the investors’ fundamental rights. Unfortunately justice is not free. You have to pay lots of money to get justice. And the law abiding citizens don't have that luxury although high networth traders, working on inside tips, and the ones you're protecting have that. God bless the law-abiding investors.



Further relief for brokers

The SEC on Thursday announced further relief in respect of the time granted to stock brokers to clear their remaining 50% of the debtor balance as follows: 25% of the above remaining debtors over T+3 days to be cleared by 30th September 2011; and the balance 25% to be cleared by 31st December 2011.

On this statement, the investor in an additional email to the regulator, said:
”What about the investors who sold their shares at a loss following the SEC laws. Is the SEC going to refund their losses too? The SEC told us to sell the shares before December 31 and we sold them at a loss.

Then they said the deadline is extended till June. Now you say it's extended again. What about the people who have sold their shares following the old and older laws last week, last month, last year. Isn’t this injustice? Are brokers and big sharks only the people the SEC cares about? The SEC changes the laws again and again, and again. This is downright stealing our money. Where is the justice? Where is the law?”

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/110522/BusinessTimes/bt20.html



Last edited by mission on Sun May 22, 2011 12:11 am; edited 1 time in total

Quibit


Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Excellent article.. An honest opinion of a genuine investor, who represents thousands of investors who suffers silently with uncried tears... We Salute the initiative!!!

chamith

chamith
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

i think its one of our forum member who wrote this letter.
He posted the draft version on one of the post here....

Proud of u bro...

Monster

Monster
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

Quibit wrote:Excellent article.. An honest opinion of a genuine investor, who represents thousands of investors who suffers silently with uncried tears... We Salute the initiative!!!
I believe this e-mail was sent by one of our valuable member in this forum.
http://forum.srilankaequity.com/t3737-credit-settlement-period#25328
hats off to whoever did this.

san1985

san1985
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Excellent work buddy...

Really feel proud about u...

Hats off...

But the most important thing is will they hear this:?:
("Beri alinta weena gahanawa wage")

Slstock

Slstock
Director - Equity Analytics
Director - Equity Analytics

Very well done to whoever wrote it. I am not sure whether the SEC will stir on this but atleast if they have a heart they will notice the plight of the small investors who were law abiding to follow their own rules and got burnt.
Atleats lets hope SEC will be wiser in the future.

As the article says mostly the law abiding individuals like us who followed SEC rules got burnt while big shots, people who had "stronger connections with Stock brokers", and with insider tips would have benefited to make a killing at the expense of the small retailers.

SEC wake up. If you really care it is the small timers you should be protecting more. Who kept the market alive during crisis? Retailers please remember.



wiki


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

good work bro. hope SEC could realize how badly affect investor sentiment by their haphazard policy changes..

econ

econ
Global Moderator

Sri lankan open market conditions have already gone with this government policies. now its government run the most of the markets not the supply and demand.
this is not good at all in the long term.

seyon


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics


I am not sure How fair our regulators will look this open letter in favor of retailers, see the regulators reply for the other article.

Anyway Hats off to the person who exposes this

‘Most investors in Sri Lanka trade on inside information’
Right of Reply

Referring to last week’s article under the above headline, the Securities and Exchange Commission chairperson Indrani Sugathadasa has rejected the claim and protested over insinuations pertaining to the comment ‘………while in Sri Lanka all officials or appointees to regulatory bodies are directly or indirectly related to business. In such a situation they don’t want to stop insider trading as they are dealing with friends, colleagues and politicians…’

http://www.sundaytimes.lk/110522/BusinessTimes/bt12.html

duke


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

this is the first time i saw media publish the investor's plight on the rule fixing. please report if other media publish something about rule fixing. we should buy sunday times for balanced news. Smile

ipoguru


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

duke wrote:this is the first time i saw media publish the investor's plight on the rule fixing. please report if other media publish something about rule fixing. we should buy sunday times for balanced news. :)


Great work. Its nice to see at least one got courage to write this letter.
If we always keep saying " Beeri alinta weena wayanawa wage" and keep silent they will keep on doing the wrong what they used to do.
I think its small investors run the market. they have the highest capital when taken collectively.
So we can become a very strong voice if we become united. I have seen one member post that we should have small investors society. I think we should start it right now and let the big guys see our voice.

If money is the obstacle to get the justice done I am willing to spend Rs.10,000/= on this. You may laugh but just multiply 10,000*2000 = 20,000,000. We have 20 million rupees. I think there are more than 2000 persons who is really angry with SEC behavior.

If we have the will we can change the world to be better place. At least the CSE to be a fair market.

Hiru


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

ipoguru wrote:
duke wrote:this is the first time i saw media publish the investor's plight on the rule fixing. please report if other media publish something about rule fixing. we should buy sunday times for balanced news. Smile


Great work. Its nice to see at least one got courage to write this letter.
If we always keep saying " Beeri alinta weena wayanawa wage" and keep silent they will keep on doing the wrong what they used to do.
I think its small investors run the market. they have the highest capital when taken collectively.
So we can become a very strong voice if we become united. I have seen one member post that we should have small investors society. I think we should start it right now and let the big guys see our voice.

If money is the obstacle to get the justice done I am willing to spend Rs.10,000/= on this. You may laugh but just multiply 10,000*2000 = 20,000,000. We have 20 million rupees. I think there are more than 2000 persons who is really angry with SEC behavior.

If we have the will we can change the world to be better place. At least the CSE to be a fair market.

I too give Rs. 10,000/-, but remember I have not lost money. Still due to the unfair way of implementing new rules I will join with you. I also narrowly escaped from loosing part of big profit earned from previous rallies.

Also, as an idea, can't we come together physically (in person or via an article) to educate one another on how to face these kind of obstacles because i believe if the small scale investors were much knowledgeable about the trends of market behavior it would be a long-term remedy.

SNIPO (+)


Senior Equity Analytic
Senior Equity Analytic

It is this, what causes all uncertainty in the market, and causing fear in the hearts of foreign investors, and unless you have a large number of investors, the few large investors will play the game, and us, the small investors will have to pay the price for it... LET'S JOIN HANDS!!!

swan03


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Well done Brother!

hawklk


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

well done!!!!!...let hope this will be eye opener.....

abra12


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

hawklk wrote:well done!!!!!...let hope this will be eye opener.....
I heard that SEC have no Head...so .

thilankad

thilankad
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Well done bro!!!

http://thilankadinush.blogspot.com/

gamaya


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Really nice this gentlemen explains the story in detail so that even a child can understand.

Looks like the grate minds would have been in big trouble if justice was affordable in this country.

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