UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/-

sirimevan · 1 UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:49 pm

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Dear all, UBC share holders,

TPG will increase the stake from 68% to 70% percent trough a mandatory offer and the offer price would be at Rs.25/-

TPG will acquire 2% of shares from the retailers and it would be around ( 742 million shares X 2%) = 14.84 million shares trough the mandatory offfer

they don't have so much of shares to be collected between 23 to 25 from the market,

What they are trying to do is fix the market price at 25 so that they know that they are no more shares below Rs.25 in the market and the entire quantity below Rs.25/- is with them.

TPG knows that they have brought for 15 and there are no more shares below 25.

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Another shithead

Top Trader · 3 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:13 pm

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Soo much desperate to sell the holding what to do, when u fellow the promotions blindly, these things happen

SHARK aka TAH · 4 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:45 pm

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sirimevan wrote:Dear all, UBC share holders,

TPG will increase the stake from 68% to 70% percent trough a mandatory offer and the offer price would be at Rs.25/-

TPG will acquire 2% of shares from the retailers and it would be around ( 742 million shares X 2%) = 14.84 million shares trough the mandatory offfer

they don't have so much of shares to be collected between 23 to 25 from the market,

What they are trying to do is fix the market price at 25 so that they know that they are no more shares below Rs.25 in the market and the entire quantity below Rs.25/- is with them.

TPG knows that they have brought for 15 and there are no more shares below 25.

Dear Siri,

thanks for giving us your opinion on this whole take.....
The problem is the 2% general mandatory offer at what price ? that should work out to be 38,520,220 shares know (2%)

SHARK aka TAH · 5 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:49 pm

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The warrants 218281250 shares is equivalent to 20% to be bought @ 16 (so they will excercise 1/4 of warrants) am i correct

So initial 68% + 2% General Mandatory +5% Through warrants= 75% Max cap

SHARK aka TAH · 6 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:54 pm

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68% is calculated as follows

Private Placement = 742,156,949 (68%)
Existing Share Capital = 349,250,000 (32%)
Total = 1,091,406,949 (100%)

Right Very Happy

SHARK aka TAH · 7 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:56 pm

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question is 2% General Mandatory to be triggered at what price ? study

SHARK aka TAH · 8 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:58 pm

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2nd Question is why issue warrants to the Investor to the tune of 218,281,250 which 29.41% of the private placement.

But can exercise only a portion of the above quota scratch

SHARK aka TAH · 9 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:06 pm

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The 2% would be equivalent to 21,828,146 Very Happy

thats to match the GAP 68%---> 70%

742,156,949 /68*2 =21,828,146

so from
349,250,000 existing shares only 6.25%
(21828146/349250000)

Am i missing something Very Happy

SHARK aka TAH · 10 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:08 pm

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Dear Siri
I think there is something is missing in your calculation to start with scratch

See my calculation to arrive 68%

SHARK aka TAH · 11 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:09 pm

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In my opinion this is a bad deal, perhaps CBSL looking for FDIs

SHARK aka TAH · 12 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:12 pm

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The New Fund Block of shares should be blocked and not allowed to change hands, CBSL should make sure real money flowing into the country Very Happy

Otherwise this would be another ADAM in the making Very Happy

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SHARK aka TAH · 13 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:14 pm

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Another point is public holding 63.8% as at announcement date has now become 32% effectively Very Happy

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Shark

Appreciate ur effects on this, hope the person, will answer, for his post, with the adequate explanation

SHARK aka TAH · 15 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:19 pm

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UBC should be around 10Rs perhaps after this whole drama valuation wise,

Raw Deal for the ShareHolders
Good for the UBC (Because 5Rs premium compares to NAV 15.63 and valuation by SHARK as at 31.12.13

SHARK aka TAH · 16 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:22 pm

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Top Trader wrote:Shark

Appreciate ur effects on this, hope the person, will answer, for his post, with the adequate explanation

I may be wrong ... lets wait for further insight on this from top members in SLEF Very Happy

sirimevan · 17 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Fri Aug 15, 2014 9:32 am

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Shark you are correct,
Let’s assume like this

Private Placement = 742,156,949 (68%)
Existing Share Capital = 349,250,000 (32%)
Total = 1,091,406,949 (100%)
Cost for the Pvt Placement for TPG = 742,156,949 X Rs.15.30 =11.3 Billion
Assume the Cost for the Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- =21,828,138 X Rs.25 = 545 million
Lost or the price gap for offering at 25/-=21,828,138 X Rs.9 = 196 million
Do you think that they assume that they could acquire 21 million shares if they offer at the price of Rs.16/- No isn’t it?
So why did they want to come up with a mandatory offer then? At rs.25/- and lose 196 million upfront?
It’s like this they are very smart, what they are trying to do is “ urage maalu urage age thiyalama kapanna hadanne”
It’s like you spend 11,300 million to acquire a company at dirt cheap price (rs.16/- below the market price) and another just 200 million to satisfy the other shareholders of the company and to keep the price in the market above for another Rs.10/-
So by spending Rs.200/- million extra they have indirectly earned 742 million shares times Rs.10/- that is 7.4 billion
So simply they invest 11.5 billion and make another 7.4 billion by spending 200 million extra

SHARK aka TAH · 18 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Fri Aug 15, 2014 10:42 am

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sirimevan wrote:Shark you are correct,
Let’s assume like this

Private Placement = 742,156,949 (68%)
Existing Share Capital = 349,250,000 (32%)
Total = 1,091,406,949 (100%)
Cost for the Pvt Placement for TPG = 742,156,949 X Rs.15.30 =11.3 Billion
Assume the Cost for the Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- =21,828,138 X Rs.25 = 545 million
Lost or the price gap for offering at 25/-=21,828,138 X Rs.9 = 196 million
Do you think that they assume that they could acquire 21 million shares if they offer at the price of Rs.16/- No isn’t it?
So why did they want to come up with a mandatory offer then? At rs.25/- and lose 196 million upfront?
It’s like this they are very smart, what they are trying to do is “ urage maalu urage age thiyalama kapanna hadanne”
It’s like you spend 11,300 million to acquire a company at dirt cheap price (rs.16/- below the market price) and another just 200 million to satisfy the other shareholders of the company and to keep the price in the market above for another Rs.10/-
So by spending Rs.200/- million extra they have indirectly earned 742 million shares times Rs.10/- that is 7.4 billion
So simply they invest 11.5 billion and make another 7.4 billion by spending 200 million extra

Well there is an issue regarding this GMO @25/- Assumption for remaining 2% to make upto 70% it is not very clear for me whether its safer to assume.We should not assume this or that but why did not the disclosure paper indicate the price as 25Rs instead leaving all of us to assume.

Its only 6.25% of the whole existing shares will be eligible for the GMO as stated by previous post. Do you think its a fair deal. Its like giving candies to child crying in hunger. So the remaining will be holding above current price.

TPG will then go for the warrants..... why on earth so many no of warrants if its for the 5% to fill the gap 70%--->75%.
Here there is another catch 22 situation. I will discuss this in the next thread.

In my opinion the real game will start after the warrants

The UBC.NOOO suppose to start trading this morning, but still on Halt pending further Announcement.

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The warrants through which these guys will make more money.....
How
The disclosure paper or announcement does not indicate clearly whether this is a one time or several time issue within 6 year period.

Lets assume several years or 1 time does not matter to me ..... TPG will issue the warrants and they will successfully convert around its excercise price 16Rs.
At this point TPG will exceed the thresh-hold 75% cap. what will they do ? put to the market and sell above market their cost @ 25Rs.

Since we are assuming ..... assumptions have no limits then... thats why the disclosure has been drafted carefully....

These are points to consider carefully .... what do you say members ?

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Yet again i may be wrong but possible in hindsight Very Happy

SHARK aka TAH · 20 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:04 am

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I am not trying to draw a gloomy picture on TPG. They may do a good job, but the approach has been dealt with a severe blow to the existing public share holders in its entirety.

yes things do change since IPO price.... but if this deal go through CSE and SEC there is an opportunity for all of us to @15-16 or even 10Rs in the future and make some money from UBC .... what do you say Very Happy

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sirimevan wrote:
So by spending Rs.200/- million extra they have indirectly earned 742 million shares times Rs.10/- that is 7.4 billion
So simply they invest 11.5 billion and make another 7.4 billion by spending 200 million extra

They will recover it through Warrant Issue tongue

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check the announcement guys is this not what is said

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sirimevan wrote:check the announcement guys is this not what is said

Mokakda lokka eke thiyenne....? plz tell me

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SHARK wrote:The 2% would be equivalent to 21,828,146 thats to match the GAP 68%---> 70%

742,156,949 /68*2 =21,828,146

so from
349,250,000 existing shares only 6.25%
(21828146/349250000)

Am i missing something

This is what i said yesterday so nothing has changed apart from GMO @25/-

SHARK aka TAH · 25 Re: UBC- Mandatory offer at Rs.25/- Fri Aug 15, 2014 11:52 am

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SuGi wrote:

sirimevan wrote:check the announcement guys is this not what is said

Mokakda lokka eke thiyenne....? plz tell me

Sugi same thing what we said yesterday Very Happy

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