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FINANCIAL CHRONICLE™ » EXPERT CHRONICLE™ » I will never buy Poultry stocks here after !! its a sin..

I will never buy Poultry stocks here after !! its a sin..

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Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

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@chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

what i say is
we should atleast remove the cruelty of killing animals. atleast give them a quick, peace death.
but implementing these HALAL principles , we are simply giving them a cruel death.

i remember i cried once seeing that the HALAL killing of animals in ground floor of borella supermarket.

so let's be realistic.
why are we killing animals by letting them to bleed and suffer in pain.
at least can't we prohibit that halal badge for the name of any god.


i believe that any religion should be for the comfort for human being,and all other animals too. of we can't stop, at least we should reduce the harm .
simply i ask them to go to hell...

so educate your friend's and family not to buy any halal based product if you have the choice for another.

and still there are still 10% of Islams here in sri lanka, and very few extremists who promote this practices....

This kind of informative posts are welcome to the forum. + rep from me just to appreciate you.

@bePositive wrote:One point we have to remember, stock holders are not directly involved in killing of any animals.eg.poultry.
also. Even Lord Buddha was served meat. the argument was this was an offering, therefore not a sin.
I honestly, do not see anything wrong with owning poultry stocks.

According to Buddhism, to make a sin it should fulfill one or more following criteria
1.Killing intention
2.Making Plans/Traps for killing
3.The act of killing

I think being a shareholder does commit none of the above.



Last edited by RockStock on Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:58 pm; edited 1 time in total

Post Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:58 pm by pathfinder

@Think9 wrote:

@watch dog : really !! na i didnt see that article..
here is the link,go to the comments,
http://www.lbo.lk/fullstory.php?nid=525691921

@bePositive wrote:One point we have to remember, stock holders are not directly involved in killing of any animals.eg.poultry.
also. Even Lord Buddha was served meat. the argument was this was an offering, therefore not a sin.
I honestly, do not see anything wrong with owning poultry stocks.
It's a matter of an individual's beliefs and convictions...
If you are a vegetarian and are strongly opposed to killing of animals, don't buy poultry stocks.
To give another example, a person opposed to smoking would probably not buy shares in a cigarette company.

@RockStock : lol! yh yh true .. i dnt wanna argue with that point anymore. Smile

@bePositive : thats an interstin point.. na but i feel we do have a direct involvement..

killings as a sin can b categorize into 3 ;

1. directly killing
2. making some1 to kill
3. having the idea , intention of killing

so buyin chicken stocks comes under the category of no.2 . if all dont invest on those , its hard for the companies to survive.. ok! lets say they ve thier own cash to survive but still ! if we dont buy, we can minimize the killin rate. fast expansion, less promotion, etc

i dnt know ! im just sharin how i see this.. i mayb wrong !

@windi5 wrote:We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

dear windi5.
if you are on any argument about stocks or investments i won't confront you.
but i think , that i have knowledge and the right to confront you as you are misleading people here.

1- you don't have any alternative source to get animal based amino acids. even in any preperation , it's still animal based.yes vitamin b complexes you can.but not heam iron.

2- I'm sorry to say i dont know your age, but being an vegetarian you have already loosen things that you even dont know.
if you had children then, already they are at risk of defective neural devolopment.
your sexual intimacy threshold had gone up so you may never feel the climax or rarely.
in a simplwe language its like driving a tata by believing it's a ferrari. you never know the difference until you feel it.

3.your argument is wrong sis, as non of these so called vegetable can't give so called components.
i can be more scientific , but then you wont undestand.
your explanations are like
Level I: Scientific evidence is lacking, of poor quality, or conflicting, such that the risk versus benefit balance cannot be assessed. Clinicians should help patients understand the uncertainty surrounding the clinical service.

4. obesity doesn't come from protein sis. ots the fat you use and carbohydrte you use and the exertion you put for your body. cholesterole is also the fats and that's found in animal foods i agree.
so do you know that how many pesticides, weedicides , litium, and toxins , and eggs of worms are coming with vegetable based foods.

5. foreigner do various things, not only being veg.some of them are not suitable to us.so thi,s is also one of them. they thought us to smoke, drink, and now to be veg. all in same account.........

6.if still you are so fascinated being veg...? sorry for you and please note that there were 76 vegetarians in my batch , and after 5 years of learning the count went to zero..


7.teach some biology for your children so they won't be so...............


no hard feelings and with all due respect

thanks

@Antonym wrote:
@Think9 wrote:Buyin shares on particular stocks means ur a shareholder in that particular share.. buyin these shares, straightly says u owe a company where ppl kill animals to earn..

what goes around comes around.. !!

who is with me ?? we re stil not late to make our mind.

Don't buy automobile stocks... Cars create air and sound pollution.
Don't buy hotel stocks... Have you seen how much food they waste?
Don't buy real estate stocks... They probably cut down trees to put up that building.
Don't buy banking stocks... They charge interest, which is exploitative.
Don't buy any stocks... The stock market is a capitalistic device whereby the rich take money from the poor.

Different people have different ideas. I think we should respect everyone. If someone thinks it's a sin, let them to proceed as they want. On the other had invloving to direct killing & indirect killing is different.

You work hard & earn money, and 15% of it goes to EPF account, and they invest it in GRAN is different that you directly invest in GRAN or BFL.

I don't ask others to stop investing in Poultry stocks. But I think if someone does not like to invest in those, let's respect them, for their idea.

By the way I do not invest in BFL or Tobacco. But still I have planty of stock types to invest.

rijayasooriya

Post Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:12 pm by rijayasooriya

@chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

This is a very big misconception.There is no need to kill animals to get those vitamins.Milk products can provide all these vitamins which are not in plant source. Meat contains lot of harmful chemicals.So if u are a vegetarian it is a best and healthy life.

The other point is it is not a sin to invest in poultry shares.If u do not have killing intention it is not sin according to buddhism.You can argue that u indirectly participate in killing process but if u do not have such an intention it is not a sin.But there is an ethical issue.

Of course we have to maintain human rights.But there is no need to wait to protect animal rights till we fullfill all the human rights which is a relative term and can vary from one country to another country under some basic principals.

We may argue on this for years without a conclusion. This has been happening for many years in the history doing research in world labs.
Would like quoting the history of findings from wikipedia;
Quote start:
In 1978, a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when captive bolt stunning (CBS) was used.[13][17] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[18]

In 2003, the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC), an independent advisory group, concluded that the way halal and kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous." Halal and kosher butchers deny that their method of killing animals is cruel and expressed anger over the FAWC recommendation.[16]

Majid Katme of the Muslim Council of Britain also disagreed, stating that "it's a sudden and quick haemorrhage. A quick loss of blood pressure and the brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain."[16]
Quote end.
You may read the dull article on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

We argue here to reduce the suffering of a dying animal. Cheating our self? Why don,t we become vegetarian in order to show our love to these animals?
"rewlayee kedayee 2me bee"

It is one’s personal choice.
I too avoid SIN shares, though they give higher returns.
One has to eat meat to get certain minerals and vitamins are not a scientifically valid argument.

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Post Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:28 pm by cweerakoon

I have never invested not only chicken shares but also alcohol and tobacco shares from the begining. I also with you think 9. Due to this i lost 10 times high return of BFL last year. But i never worried. I feel investing in chicken, tobacco and alcohol company commited sin according to buddhism. Because lord buddha not recommended to do certain kind of tradings in his sutta, including killing animals and selling illicit drugs or alcohol/war weapons,etc.. Share holding means you are one of the owner of such a business and you taking profit from such a business, even though you are not killing animal according to 5 moral principals. According to science and medicine they recommend eating fish is a heathy food habit. Not chicken or meat which contain high amount of cholesterol.
So chicken investment can't justified according to science for alcohol and tobacco same. This is my personal idea and no offence for people who like to invest on those companies.

stockanalytic

Post Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:09 pm by stockanalytic

Smoking harms nearly every organ of the body. Smoking causes many diseases and reduces the health of smokers in general.

Smoking and Death
The adverse health effects from cigarette smoking account for an estimated 443,000 deaths, or nearly one of every five deaths, each year in the United States.2,3
More deaths are caused each year by tobacco use than by all deaths from human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), illegal drug use, alcohol use, motor vehicle injuries, suicides, and murders combined.
Smoking causes an estimated 90% of all lung cancer deaths in men and 80% of all lung cancer deaths in women.
An estimated 90% of all deaths from chronic obstructive lung disease are caused by smoking.

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stroke by 2 to 4 times,1,6
men developing lung cancer by 23 times,1
women developing lung cancer by 13 times,1 and
dying from chronic obstructive lung diseases (such as chronic bronchitis and emphysema) by 12 to 13 times.1

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Acute myeloid leukemia
Bladder cancer
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Cancer of the pharynx (throat)
Stomach cancer
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Smoking and Other Health Effects

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infertility,
preterm delivery,
stillbirth,
low birth weight, and
sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

Smoking is associated with the following adverse health effects:

Postmenopausal women who smoke have lower bone density than women who never smoked.
Women who smoke have an increased risk for hip fracture than women who never smoked.


SO I NEVER INVEST IN TOBACCO RELATED COMPANIES.

ALCOHOL

Worldwide, alcohol is responsible for a percentage of a number of conditions, as follows:

Cirrhosis - 32%
Motor vehicle accidents - 20%
Mouth and oropharyngeal cancers - 19%
Esophageal cancer - 29%
Liver cancer - 25%
Breast cancer - 7%
Homicide - 24%
Suicide - 11%
Hemorrhagic stroke - 10%

SO I NEVER INVEST IN ALCOHOL RELATED COMPANIES.

But chicken, egg, fish - I am also eating and I am investing. I respect ideas of vegetarians. But I have different view about killing and sin. I don't think that I am a sinner because of I am non-vegetarian.

@rijayasooriya wrote:
@chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

This is a very big misconception.There is no need to kill animals to get those vitamins.Milk products can provide all these vitamins which are not in plant source. Meat contains lot of harmful chemicals.So if u are a vegetarian it is a best and healthy life.



you become a fool if you are arguing without scientific facts,specially with somebody who knows than you. in that field. in stock trading it may be ok. but in scientific world it's not so. yes you can see thousands of articles in internet backed by vegans. but try to see is there any article praising being vegan in lancet, new England medical journal or PubMed.

milk producta contain casein and lactoglobulin. not heam irons or essential amino acids.Of the 22 standard amino acids, 8 are called essential amino acids because the human body cannot synthesize them from other compounds at the level needed for normal growth, so they must be obtained from food.4 exclusively from animal sources than milk.

thanks

@chan5 wrote:
@windi5 wrote:We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

dear windi5.
if you are on any argument about stocks or investments i won't confront you.
but i think , that i have knowledge and the right to confront you as you are misleading people here.

1- you don't have any alternative source to get animal based amino acids. even in any preperation , it's still animal based.yes vitamin b complexes you can.but not heam iron.

2- I'm sorry to say i dont know your age, but being an vegetarian you have already loosen things that you even dont know.
if you had children then, already they are at risk of defective neural devolopment.
your sexual intimacy threshold had gone up so you may never feel the climax or rarely.
in a simplwe language its like driving a tata by believing it's a ferrari. you never know the difference until you feel it.

3.your argument is wrong sis, as non of these so called vegetable can't give so called components.
i can be more scientific , but then you wont undestand.
your explanations are like
Level I: Scientific evidence is lacking, of poor quality, or conflicting, such that the risk versus benefit balance cannot be assessed. Clinicians should help patients understand the uncertainty surrounding the clinical service.

4. obesity doesn't come from protein sis. ots the fat you use and carbohydrte you use and the exertion you put for your body. cholesterole is also the fats and that's found in animal foods i agree.
so do you know that how many pesticides, weedicides , litium, and toxins , and eggs of worms are coming with vegetable based foods.

5. foreigner do various things, not only being veg.some of them are not suitable to us.so thi,s is also one of them. they thought us to smoke, drink, and now to be veg. all in same account.........

6.if still you are so fascinated being veg...? sorry for you and please note that there were 76 vegetarians in my batch , and after 5 years of learning the count went to zero..


7.teach some biology for your children so they won't be so...............


no hard feelings and with all due respect

thanks

sorry for the late reply

I gave up meats when i was 16,now 26. Im not misleading ppl, i was elaborating my experience n my knowledge.

Human beings have not been born to live with eating meats. Animal based proteins, of course, are much more similar to our proteins . Plant proteins are somewhat compromised by their limitation of one or more amino acids. When we restore the relatively deficient amino acid in a plant protein, we get a response rate equivalent to animal proteins. Although protein is certainly an essential nutrient which plays many key roles in the way our bodies function, we do not need huge quantities of it. In reality, we need small amounts of protein. Only one calorie out of every ten we take in needs to come from protein.

It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein. Nearly all vegetables, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds contain some, and often much, protein.eggs, cow's milk, meat, and fish are high quality protein. This means that they have large amounts of all the essential amino acids. Soybeans, quinoa (a grain), and spinach also are considered high quality protein. Other protein sources of non-animal origin usually have all of the essential amino acids.the myth that meat is the only way to get high quality protein, in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care is needed in choosing foods. Actually it is much easier than we think.

When we talk about iron ,dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.Its true that Vegan diets only contain non-heme iron. Because of this, iron recommendations are higher for vegetarians than for non-vegetarians.vegan diet contains a form of iron that is not that well absorbed, vegans might be prone to developing iron deficiency anemia. However, surveys of vegans 2,3 have found that iron deficiency anemia is no more common among vegetarians than among the general population although vegans tend to have lower iron stores.Another reason for the satisfactory iron status of vegans is that vegan diets are high in vitamin C. Vitamin C acts to markedly increase absorption of non-heme iron. Adding a vitamin C source to a meal increases non-heme iron absorption up to six-fold which makes the absorption of non-heme iron as good or better than that of heme iron.

defective neural development,sexual intimacy, all these applies even to those who greedily eat meats.For my experience ,my climax is well in force.Im very active person.

Forefingers have understood the danger of having too much fat in their diet. which cause obesity and many other diseases,gradually they are becoming vegetarians. we trying those things when they give up understanding the risk maintaining those habits, drinking and smoking are two of them.

Its nice to see another medical student in this forum.

meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,

i dont think so.. not an acceptable statement by any religion. also im may not know much abt scientific stuff but i know that the worlds oldest man is a vege .. Smile

@Think9,

if you can do it, it is a better practice. I had this feeling years before. but frankly, I changed my mind, because,
if you don't invest in poultry, you should not eat meat!
if you reluctant to invest in DIST, LION you should better keep away from liquor and beers!
if you don't invest in Tobacco, you should not use cigarettes.

but as my feeling, shares are shares they cannot be classified as black or white.
as your concern people who worked for poultry, beverage and tobacco are culprits.

anyway, I love to see if you can stand in your position even when Poultry are on bull run.

rijayasooriya

Post Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:12 am by rijayasooriya

@chan5 wrote:
@rijayasooriya wrote:
@chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

This is a very big misconception.There is no need to kill animals to get those vitamins.Milk products can provide all these vitamins which are not in plant source. Meat contains lot of harmful chemicals.So if u are a vegetarian it is a best and healthy life.



you become a fool if you are arguing without scientific facts,specially with somebody who knows than you. in that field. in stock trading it may be ok. but in scientific world it's not so. yes you can see thousands of articles in internet backed by vegans. but try to see is there any article praising being vegan in lancet, new England medical journal or PubMed.

milk producta contain casein and lactoglobulin. not heam irons or essential amino acids.Of the 22 standard amino acids, 8 are called essential amino acids because the human body cannot synthesize them from other compounds at the level needed for normal growth, so they must be obtained from food.4 exclusively from animal sources than milk.

thanks

Sorry to tell u this but I have to tell this as 'u act like u know it all'.U seems to know something but u do not know everything.Do you know what is the importance of Heam Iron over the Iron ? If u know it I will tell u another fact.

Otherpoint is it seems that you think this western science is the truth.But do you know anything about quantum physics and what has happened to the Newton and to the some extent to Einstein with the discoveries in quantum physics ?

This part is for others,If u do not eat meat eat milk products and fresh green leafy vegetables u will not get anaemia or neral canal defect.Do not misguided by 'know it all's posts.

[quote="watch dog
I have seen this argument at LBO some times back!!![/quote]
Even in this forum. Few months back.

This is a hot topic.. That's why moved to the expert chambers!!

he he this has always been a hot topic. good to have a hot topic in the week end before we get into the dull mkt again on Monday. Very Happy

@chan5 wrote:
@rijayasooriya wrote:
@chan5 wrote:good argument brother,

but there are practical limitations...
meat or animal based foods are essential to maintain the quality of life,
specially the heam iron and certain vitamins like vitamin B12 and riboflavin.
also out of all 20 essential amino acids there are few ,can't get from any plant source, and which are essential to maintain a healthy life cycle.
specifically child bearing age females should have this in the time of conceive as its essential to build the nervous system fundamentals.unless the baby become an idiot with low iq.

so there are pro s and con s.
i'm looking at the world through science,
religions come next.

This is a very big misconception.There is no need to kill animals to get those vitamins.Milk products can provide all these vitamins which are not in plant source. Meat contains lot of harmful chemicals.So if u are a vegetarian it is a best and healthy life.



you become a fool if you are arguing without scientific facts,specially with somebody who knows than you. in that field. in stock trading it may be ok. but in scientific world it's not so. yes you can see thousands of articles in internet backed by vegans. but try to see is there any article praising being vegan in lancet, new England medical journal or PubMed.

milk producta contain casein and lactoglobulin. not heam irons or essential amino acids.Of the 22 standard amino acids, 8 are called essential amino acids because the human body cannot synthesize them from other compounds at the level needed for normal growth, so they must be obtained from food.4 exclusively from animal sources than milk.

thanks

Hey chan its always good if you can practice of respecting others. Nobody is perfect,all are human beings. this is a discussion session not blaming and shaming one.
What western scientists are doing,most of them are controlled by big drugs companies, still no cure for cancers and HIV. It seems that they are spreading diseases in hoping mkt their drugs,its one of big business in the world today.

@windi5 wrote:
@chan5 wrote:
@windi5 wrote:We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

dear windi5.
if you are on any argument about stocks or investments i won't confront you.
but i think , that i have knowledge and the right to confront you as you are misleading people here.

1- you don't have any alternative source to get animal based amino acids. even in any preperation , it's still animal based.yes vitamin b complexes you can.but not heam iron.

2- I'm sorry to say i dont know your age, but being an vegetarian you have already loosen things that you even dont know.
if you had children then, already they are at risk of defective neural devolopment.
your sexual intimacy threshold had gone up so you may never feel the climax or rarely.
in a simplwe language its like driving a tata by believing it's a ferrari. you never know the difference until you feel it.

3.your argument is wrong sis, as non of these so called vegetable can't give so called components.
i can be more scientific , but then you wont undestand.
your explanations are like
Level I: Scientific evidence is lacking, of poor quality, or conflicting, such that the risk versus benefit balance cannot be assessed. Clinicians should help patients understand the uncertainty surrounding the clinical service.

4. obesity doesn't come from protein sis. ots the fat you use and carbohydrte you use and the exertion you put for your body. cholesterole is also the fats and that's found in animal foods i agree.
so do you know that how many pesticides, weedicides , litium, and toxins , and eggs of worms are coming with vegetable based foods.

5. foreigner do various things, not only being veg.some of them are not suitable to us.so thi,s is also one of them. they thought us to smoke, drink, and now to be veg. all in same account.........

6.if still you are so fascinated being veg...? sorry for you and please note that there were 76 vegetarians in my batch , and after 5 years of learning the count went to zero..


7.teach some biology for your children so they won't be so...............


no hard feelings and with all due respect

thanks

sorry for the late reply

I gave up meats when i was 16,now 26. Im not misleading ppl, i was elaborating my experience n my knowledge.

Human beings have not been born to live with eating meats. Animal based proteins, of course, are much more similar to our proteins . Plant proteins are somewhat compromised by their limitation of one or more amino acids. When we restore the relatively deficient amino acid in a plant protein, we get a response rate equivalent to animal proteins. Although protein is certainly an essential nutrient which plays many key roles in the way our bodies function, we do not need huge quantities of it. In reality, we need small amounts of protein. Only one calorie out of every ten we take in needs to come from protein.

It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein. Nearly all vegetables, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds contain some, and often much, protein.eggs, cow's milk, meat, and fish are high quality protein. This means that they have large amounts of all the essential amino acids. Soybeans, quinoa (a grain), and spinach also are considered high quality protein. Other protein sources of non-animal origin usually have all of the essential amino acids.the myth that meat is the only way to get high quality protein, in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care is needed in choosing foods. Actually it is much easier than we think.

When we talk about iron ,dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.Its true that Vegan diets only contain non-heme iron. Because of this, iron recommendations are higher for vegetarians than for non-vegetarians.vegan diet contains a form of iron that is not that well absorbed, vegans might be prone to developing iron deficiency anemia. However, surveys of vegans 2,3 have found that iron deficiency anemia is no more common among vegetarians than among the general population although vegans tend to have lower iron stores.Another reason for the satisfactory iron status of vegans is that vegan diets are high in vitamin C. Vitamin C acts to markedly increase absorption of non-heme iron. Adding a vitamin C source to a meal increases non-heme iron absorption up to six-fold which makes the absorption of non-heme iron as good or better than that of heme iron.

defective neural development,sexual intimacy, all these applies even to those who greedily eat meats.For my experience ,my climax is well in force.Im very active person.

Forefingers have understood the danger of having too much fat in their diet. which cause obesity and many other diseases,gradually they are becoming vegetarians. we trying those things when they give up understanding the risk maintaining those habits, drinking and smoking are two of them.

Its nice to see another medical student in this forum.

@ Windi

this is Plagiarism..

U can find many of the extracts form these sites

http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-protein.html
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm
http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/animal-vs-plant-protein/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=76&cHash=d5607d1968

U should at least give credit to the original author at least by quoting the site.



Last edited by mission on Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:19 pm; edited 1 time in total

And Please before talking of sins involving of investing in poultry stocks. first try to value humans for what they are irrespective of culture cast and creed then start thinking of animals.

and also who ever thinks that investing in poultry stocks is a sin please refrain from investing in the market. since u r indirectly contributing to all the other sins. direct or indirect a sin is a sin.

this topic is so futile.. y was this ever brought up.

@mission wrote:
@windi5 wrote:
@chan5 wrote:
@windi5 wrote:We got alternative sources for getting those vitamins, isnt it?. i have been vegetarian for 10 years, nothing happened to me but im very healthy and very relaxed. In countries like SL, we got plenty of options, variety of vegetables,it might be difficult for middle eastern countries as they have nothing but deserts. Now lots of foreigners going for vegetable leaving meats behind due to lots of fatal illnesses are associated with those meats for example obesity and cholesterol.

dear windi5.
if you are on any argument about stocks or investments i won't confront you.
but i think , that i have knowledge and the right to confront you as you are misleading people here.

1- you don't have any alternative source to get animal based amino acids. even in any preperation , it's still animal based.yes vitamin b complexes you can.but not heam iron.

2- I'm sorry to say i dont know your age, but being an vegetarian you have already loosen things that you even dont know.
if you had children then, already they are at risk of defective neural devolopment.
your sexual intimacy threshold had gone up so you may never feel the climax or rarely.
in a simplwe language its like driving a tata by believing it's a ferrari. you never know the difference until you feel it.

3.your argument is wrong sis, as non of these so called vegetable can't give so called components.
i can be more scientific , but then you wont undestand.
your explanations are like
Level I: Scientific evidence is lacking, of poor quality, or conflicting, such that the risk versus benefit balance cannot be assessed. Clinicians should help patients understand the uncertainty surrounding the clinical service.

4. obesity doesn't come from protein sis. ots the fat you use and carbohydrte you use and the exertion you put for your body. cholesterole is also the fats and that's found in animal foods i agree.
so do you know that how many pesticides, weedicides , litium, and toxins , and eggs of worms are coming with vegetable based foods.

5. foreigner do various things, not only being veg.some of them are not suitable to us.so thi,s is also one of them. they thought us to smoke, drink, and now to be veg. all in same account.........

6.if still you are so fascinated being veg...? sorry for you and please note that there were 76 vegetarians in my batch , and after 5 years of learning the count went to zero..


7.teach some biology for your children so they won't be so...............


no hard feelings and with all due respect

thanks

sorry for the late reply

I gave up meats when i was 16,now 26. Im not misleading ppl, i was elaborating my experience n my knowledge.

Human beings have not been born to live with eating meats. Animal based proteins, of course, are much more similar to our proteins . Plant proteins are somewhat compromised by their limitation of one or more amino acids. When we restore the relatively deficient amino acid in a plant protein, we get a response rate equivalent to animal proteins. Although protein is certainly an essential nutrient which plays many key roles in the way our bodies function, we do not need huge quantities of it. In reality, we need small amounts of protein. Only one calorie out of every ten we take in needs to come from protein.

It is very easy for a vegan diet to meet the recommendations for protein. Nearly all vegetables, beans, grains, nuts, and seeds contain some, and often much, protein.eggs, cow's milk, meat, and fish are high quality protein. This means that they have large amounts of all the essential amino acids. Soybeans, quinoa (a grain), and spinach also are considered high quality protein. Other protein sources of non-animal origin usually have all of the essential amino acids.the myth that meat is the only way to get high quality protein, in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care is needed in choosing foods. Actually it is much easier than we think.

When we talk about iron ,dried beans and dark green leafy vegetables are especially good sources of iron, even better on a per calorie basis than meat. Iron absorption is increased markedly by eating foods containing vitamin C along with foods containing iron. Vegetarians do not have a higher incidence of iron deficiency than do meat eaters.Its true that Vegan diets only contain non-heme iron. Because of this, iron recommendations are higher for vegetarians than for non-vegetarians.vegan diet contains a form of iron that is not that well absorbed, vegans might be prone to developing iron deficiency anemia. However, surveys of vegans 2,3 have found that iron deficiency anemia is no more common among vegetarians than among the general population although vegans tend to have lower iron stores.Another reason for the satisfactory iron status of vegans is that vegan diets are high in vitamin C. Vitamin C acts to markedly increase absorption of non-heme iron. Adding a vitamin C source to a meal increases non-heme iron absorption up to six-fold which makes the absorption of non-heme iron as good or better than that of heme iron.

defective neural development,sexual intimacy, all these applies even to those who greedily eat meats.For my experience ,my climax is well in force.Im very active person.

Forefingers have understood the danger of having too much fat in their diet. which cause obesity and many other diseases,gradually they are becoming vegetarians. we trying those things when they give up understanding the risk maintaining those habits, drinking and smoking are two of them.

Its nice to see another medical student in this forum.

@ Windi

this is Plagiarism..

U can find many of the extracts form these sites

http://www.all-creatures.org/mfz/health-protein.html
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/iron.htm
http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm
http://www.tcolincampbell.org/courses-resources/article/animal-vs-plant-protein/?tx_ttnews[backPid]=76&cHash=d5607d1968

U should at least give credit to the original author at least by quoting the site.
Its seems that you too have studied them,didnt you?. Hope you are clear about the point now. we have alternatives instead of going after meats. Not only about this topic,you can have extracts regarding anything in the internet. Its always good to study the topic and speak. I love you I love you I love you

[quote="Its seems that you too have studied them,didnt you?. Hope you are clear about the point now. we have alternatives instead of going after meats. Not only about this topic,you can have extracts regarding anything in the internet. Its always good to study the topic and speak. I love you I love you I love you [/quote]

Never mind U will never get it.. pointless talking about it. just forget it.

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