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Sri Lanka SEC considering broker credit request: Director General

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Indranige nandamma
RIO
rijayasooriya
mohith
duke
Ransiri Silva
abp1970
opfdo
gann
sapumal
manula
san1985
Nigel.Machado
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Nigel.Machado


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Sri Lanka SEC considering broker credit request: Director General
Aug 01, 2011 (LBO) - Sri Lanka's securities watchdog is considering a request to relax credit rules by stockbrokers who have asked to be allowed to provide credit to customers, at least up to their net capital, an official said.

"It is receiving the attention of the secretariat," Securities and Exchange Commission director general Malik Cader said.
Colombo Stock Brokers Association had in a letter to the SEC asked to be allowed to give credit up to twice their net capital (leveraged once from the brokers side) or at least up to their net capital with no leveraging on the part of the broker.

They also asked a rule on force selling of stock portfolios five days after purchase to be lifted if the total portfolio is within the credit limit allowed.

The Colombo Brokers Association originally submitted the letter to SEC chairperson Indrani Sugathadasa on Wednesday, but she had been abroad. A second letter had then been given to director general Malik Cader on Friday.

Brokers said in the letter that Colombo's benchmark All Share Index had fallen 16.8 percent from February 12, while the Milanka Index of liquid stocks fell 24.3 percent from October 01, 2010.

From January 01, 2010 foreigners had sold 34.6 billion rupees of stocks and rights issues and private placements have absorbed over 50 billion rupees.

"These are the natural mechanisms by which an expensive market becomes an in-expensive market, thereby, eliminating the need for any regulatory restrictions," the Brokers Association said in their letter.

Local individual contribution to the market had increased from 22 percent in 2008 to 44 percent in 2010 and large numbers of local individual investors with portfolios of less than a million rupees have since left the market, the letter said.

Analysts say the request to be allowed to provide credit at least up to the net capital of brokers appears reasonable, though credit cannot fundamentally drive a market.

The letter did not mention any suggestions on the margin to be provided by clients. In the US a margin of 50 percent has been required following a stock market bubble which collapsed in 1929 triggering the great depression.

Some analysts have said that persistent foreign sales in Sri Lanka seem to be triggered by relative valuations across the region, which means either prices have to fall or earnings have to improve.

Sri Lanka's regulators clamped down on credit sales late last year to prevent the creation of a bigger stock bubble which would have crashed down harder.
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/fullstory.php?nid=167994075

san1985

san1985
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

So why the hell is market started heading south again?????????

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

san1985 wrote:So why the hell is market started heading south again?????????

yes...again... happy three days going to over ??? Sad Sad

sapumal


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Because of CARS

gann

gann
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

read the comment at the bottom of the article.

6Sri Lanka SEC considering broker credit request: Director General Empty r u mad Mr.M Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:45 am

opfdo

opfdo
Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

why r they giving such a statements. r they mad. do not worry investors. be wise. yesterday he dont know anything. today yes. pls do not panic retailers. See the selling pressure of GRAN. even can not find the price. take action for those misleading orders sec.

abp1970


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Hi Ossi Hw ar you Sir...Hema

sapumal


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Is it our Tubal ?

Ransiri Silva

Ransiri Silva
Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic

Who are your referring to Mr. M?

duke


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

sapumal wrote:Is it our Tubal ?

It's the content extracted from a post in here. May be couple of weeks ago or less.

abp1970


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Ha ha Ransiri You too are there... Who is Mr.M???

Ransiri Silva

Ransiri Silva
Equity Analytic
Equity Analytic

Probably Manmohan Singh Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

mohith

mohith
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

these are the people who create panic sellers , don't get caught Exclamation

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

It seems Director General has more sense than head lady(Better be in abroad for ever.) Let us wait and see.Cool

RIO

RIO
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Mr. M is as per his post its Removed of CSE....

a day before (on Firday) he made a statement to Media that no Broker or any interested party has requested for any solution or proposed any credit issues re CSE....but today morning same REMOVED has issued a statement saying the Brokers has written to SEC on Wednesday & for him on Friday re Broker Credit & Force selling issue...!
Shocked

Indranige nandamma


Stock Trader

rijayasooriya wrote: Better be in abroad for ever

Agreed

pushpakumara


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Nigel.Machado wrote:Sri Lanka SEC considering broker credit request: Director General
Aug 01, 2011 (LBO) - Sri Lanka's securities watchdog is considering a request to relax credit rules by stockbrokers who have asked to be allowed to provide credit to customers, at least up to their net capital, an official said.



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Sri Lanka's regulators clamped down on credit sales late last year to prevent the creation of a bigger stock bubble which would have crashed down harder.
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/fullstory.php?nid=167994075

Good proposal but we look forward to proper settlements from the side of the broker.

Rajitha

Rajitha
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

The small retailers NEED A SMALL CREDIT FACILITY FROM BROKERING FIRMS AS BEFORE! All the big guns can go to the banks and easily get the credit facility but what about the small retail investors ? Most experts here seems to forget that there are are a lot of people who have reservations about going to a bank and getting credit facilities!

If I had the option I would allow the brokering firms to give retailers to be given up to 20% credit of the portfolio value at between 10-18% interest rate!

RIO

RIO
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Rajitha wrote:If I had the option I would allow the brokering firms to give retailers to be given up to 20% credit of the portfolio value at between 10-18% interest rate!

Rajitha, The problem here is not the Credit facility for Retailers ..even now all Brokers provide 30% to 50% credit in par with Portfolio...the the problem is retailers are expecting an unlimited number of days for credit settlement which is highly unrealistic request, which could blow a Bubble in the future if allowed...!

Even with interest charged all the financial institutions lend with a settlement date for any kind of Loans or Lease...so even if brokers are allowed providing Credit...they should be given a stipulated period for settlement to their clients instead of just pumping credit on credit every day...!

sapumal


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

RIO wrote:
Rajitha wrote:If I had the option I would allow the brokering firms to give retailers to be given up to 20% credit of the portfolio value at between 10-18% interest rate!

the the problem is retailers are expecting an unlimited number of days for credit settlement which is highly unrealistic request, which could blow a Bubble in the future if allowed...!

It is the nature of the credit. It can't be settle within 1 or 2 weeks

Giving a 20% of the investment as a credit won't be a problem. Portfolio value will be 120 but to fall bellow 20(broker credit) the share has to be fall more than 80%, which will be highly improbable. Also this is only for retailers. Won't have much credit in the market.

Rajaraam


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

RIO wrote:
Rajitha wrote:If I had the option I would allow the brokering firms to give retailers to be given up to 20% credit of the portfolio value at between 10-18% interest rate!

Rajitha, The problem here is not the Credit facility for Retailers ..even now all Brokers provide 30% to 50% credit in par with Portfolio...the the problem is retailers are expecting an unlimited number of days for credit settlement which is highly unrealistic request, which could blow a Bubble in the future if allowed...!

Even with interest charged all the financial institutions lend with a settlement date for any kind of Loans or Lease...so even if brokers are allowed providing Credit...they should be given a stipulated period for settlement to their clients instead of just pumping credit on credit every day...!



Rio, I think Rajitha is correct. Now brokers are not allowed to lend to their clients. Only financing institutions can provide margin credit. But few brokers have establised their own financial institutions to provide credit according to SEC rulling. But Most brokers are not capable to do so. Hence their clients unless marbin credit facility has obtained from a bank/financil institution are now in trouble. They will have to settle by paying cash or selling same shares he bought or any other shares in his PF within the T+5 limits.(within 5 days)Therefore it is considered as force selling and this would cause for increasing selling preasure.

Rajitha

Rajitha
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

RIO wrote:
Rajitha wrote:If I had the option I would allow the brokering firms to give retailers to be given up to 20% credit of the portfolio value at between 10-18% interest rate!

Rajitha, The problem here is not the Credit facility for Retailers ..even now all Brokers provide 30% to 50% credit in par with Portfolio...the the problem is retailers are expecting an unlimited number of days for credit settlement which is highly unrealistic request, which could blow a Bubble in the future if allowed...!

Even with interest charged all the financial institutions lend with a settlement date for any kind of Loans or Lease...so even if brokers are allowed providing Credit...they should be given a stipulated period for settlement to their clients instead of just pumping credit on credit every day...!

In case you didn't got the meaning of what I wrote: I meant to say 20% credit facility without settlement date but interest being charged! That's the system we had before. The problem with that was that some brokering firms allowed stupid amounts of credit up to almost 100% of the portfolio value! So if the investors invested in some stupid stocks and shares went bust the brokering firm has no way of collecting their money!
With 20% credit facility this problem is solved as I do not expect almost any collection of shares to fall bellow 80% of its invested value! Also big investors already have this facility with banks and even some brokering firms up to almost 50% of their portfolio value!

sajeethk


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

careful guys SEC and CSE watch dogs watching this forum,,, Very Happy

rijayasooriya

rijayasooriya
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

sajeethk wrote:careful guys SEC and CSE watch dogs watching this forum,,, Very Happy

That is why we are writing friend.Laughing

manula


Vice President - Equity Analytics
Vice President - Equity Analytics

Rajitha wrote:[

In case you didn't got the meaning of what I wrote: I meant to say 20% credit facility without settlement date but interest being charged! That's the system we had before. The problem with that was that some brokering firms allowed stupid amounts of credit up to almost 100% of the portfolio value! So if the investors invested in some stupid stocks and shares went bust the brokering firm has no way of collecting their money!
With 20% credit facility this problem is solved as I do not expect almost any collection of shares to fall bellow 80% of its invested value! Also big investors already have this facility with banks and even some brokering firms up to almost 50% of their portfolio value!

Yes Rajitha... I am fully agreed with your comments.. Why they cannot give at least 20% credit with out settlement date with interest. This problem comes only to the small investors. Big investors have enough money, getting reduce rate loan etc.. so they don't have to worry about credit limits..so they do manipulations, internal trading, bubbles so on what ever you call.. The poor small investor due T+5 has to force sell with a loss but the big investors enjoying with every thing. Surprised

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