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776LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:52 am

Miss-Sangeetha


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Teller wrote:Agree with sangeetha, whats the use of EPS , company earns continuously but rearely or never paid dividends. Owners always get their portion throgh director fees, manager fees, blahhhh. Innocent retail retail share holders get nothing .  These kind of businesses are rejecting in current world by retail investors into shares.



@Teller, give up talking again and again about HEXP you should talk about LOLC, TKYO, JKH and so many

777LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:03 am

Win Win


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Read the financial carefully.. retails' worth shares are being grabbing by the big dealers around Rs.140

778LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:06 am

SUSPENS


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

My goodness...

779LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am

Eranga87


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Calculated EPS is correct??

780LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:14 am

Win Win


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

SUSPENS wrote:NP ALREADY SOLD HIS QUANTITY. Please check with Softlogic brokers.

Dont get caught ..Big players are playing
Very Happy

781LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:20 am

jaya


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Win Win wrote:
SUSPENS wrote:NP ALREADY SOLD HIS QUANTITY. Please check with Softlogic brokers.

Dont get caught ..Big players are playing
Very Happy
 someone told he brought again yesterday, check with Bartleet where he was worked before.
Who knows this is ""Colombo killing field"

782LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:20 am

Eranga87


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

something wrong, few peoples collect LOLC

783LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:21 am

pra4u

pra4u
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

SUSPENS wrote:My goodness...

Came down to 138 oh my Gosh

784LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:24 am

SUSPENS

SUSPENS
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Their selling and their collecting...what the f***

785LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:27 am

chathura123


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Panic sellers selling .don't trap into prey .
There may be wrong in financial

786LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:38 am

Eranga87


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

yes.. re calculate EPS . i think wrong.. EPS should above 50

787LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:42 am

Eranga87


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

LOLC traded nearly 1mn shares. who is buyer>> don't panic, hold and collect more.

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788LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:50 am

jaya


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

Forget LOLC for time being it will be OK, Look at MELS now

789LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:18 pm

chathura123


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Eranga87 wrote:yes.. re calculate EPS . i think wrong.. EPS should above 50
Yes issue is this unaudited.
And minority share is way higher that can't be happened. Who ever manipulated market to collect panic sellers
Profit that I calculated was correct but they collectively shared into minority holders.
That may be wrong .

790LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:19 pm

chathura123


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Anyway cash per share is 170 means that u buy 170 rupees at 146 now.

791LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:38 pm

mahasona2

mahasona2
Manager - Equity Analytics
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or LOLC ..LOVE



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792LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:39 pm

maalinda


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

chathura123 wrote:Anyway cash per share is 170 means that u buy 170 rupees at 146 now.
What about liabilities comes with it ?

793LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:50 pm

Eranga87


Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics
Assistant Vice President - Equity Analytics

LOLC increased NCI massively 853% than preveious year. massive profit attributed for NCI.



Last edited by Eranga87 on Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:05 pm; edited 1 time in total

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794LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:00 pm

maalinda


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

Why i cant see this massive increasing ?

795LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:09 pm

maalinda


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

can someone explain how the calculated EPS ?

796LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:57 pm

chathura123


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

[quote="Eranga87"]LOLC increased NCI massively 853% than preveious year. massive profit attributed for NCI.[/quote
This is wrong according ifrs 10 .the gain on disposal should be included in Retained earning not current year . I think some mistake

797LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:32 pm

pra4u

pra4u
Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

KavinduTM wrote:
Win Win wrote:
Eranga87 wrote:@KavinduTM,
You jump Neutral too early... again someone collect bottom line, wait only two weeks.. Smile


Agree with Eranga.

A group is selling and drag down the price and collect gradually. 
No issue, it can be in this situation only for another 2 days..

LOLC will reach its apex in next 2 weeks than JKH reached Rs.137 from Rs.112. But, LOLC will be more worth even at its apex, bcz this story is different and good for an investor !!

WiN WiN

@Eranga87 :

I'll buy back. Don't get me wrong mate.I'm telling what i actually see, not i want to see. By the way i like to act on waves,sometimes i miss but its cool xd. This won't matter for investors but at the end of the period the trader will have the more profits (only if he has a good timing tbh)


@Win Win:

Of course. I think it will reach 150 levels within 2 or 3 days. So that will be another opportunity to buy. Also i don't think some organized group is trying to drag down the price. Maybe those who bought bulk in 120 levels are taking the profits right?.I also like the story of LOLC. That's the reason i'm planning to buy back.

වැටෙයි කියල දැනගෙන හිටියත් (කවිඳු කිව්ව නිසා) මෙච්චර වැටෙයි කියල හිතුවෙ නෑ

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798LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:42 pm

Teller

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Thats the reason i didnt recommend this share to Retailers above 125? I never did a PPositive post related lolc , except it was tading at 88 to 125.
I was holding lolc earlier average 80 to 90 levels and disposed

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799LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 2:47 pm

Win Win


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

Most of one know now who is the controller of the price (Col 03 buildings).. 


They are trying to keep the price around Rs.140 and collect. 
Then, will come with a massive show with accurate numbers. At least they showed Rs.42 bn one-off gain in Q2.
Hide the profit in the operation and accounting adjustments.

800LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:36 pm

dayandacool

dayandacool
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Win Win wrote:Most of one know now who is the controller of the price (Col 03 buildings).. 


They are trying to keep the price around Rs.140 and collect. 
Then, will come with a massive show with accurate numbers. At least they showed Rs.42 bn one-off gain in Q2.
Hide the profit in the operation and accounting adjustments.

Why should anyone buy a share of a company the management of which, trying to hide the profit from it's own share holders?? Shocked Shocked shouldn't such companies be avoided by all for good??



Last edited by dayandacool on Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:18 pm; edited 2 times in total

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801LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:00 pm

maalinda


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

How come Most of the profit recorded under minority interest ?

802LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:23 pm

Win Win


Senior Manager - Equity Analytics
Senior Manager - Equity Analytics

dayandacool wrote:
Win Win wrote:Most of one know now who is the controller of the price (Col 03 buildings).. 


They are trying to keep the price around Rs.140 and collect. 
Then, will come with a massive show with accurate numbers. At least they showed Rs.42 bn one-off gain in Q2.
Hide the profit in the operation and accounting adjustments.

Why should anyone buy a share of a company the management of which, trying to hide the profit from it's own share holders?? Shocked Shocked shouldn't such companies be avoided by all for the good??
Actually yes. But, we trying to realize acceptable profits. 

LOLC is a good company in financial & operational performance, But, the Owners are well established and self-sufficient investors from own funds. Therefore, they do not think about the share prices, Other investors and other external things, bcz they do not want to attract investors. If they want to contribute lfor a necessity ike for right issue, they do know the method from some stock brokers who get the benefits from the share investment on the early info like last time.

I also invested due to the sale of the subsidiary and its impact. 

This share will be a topic again when present the impact on the sale correctly.

Finally want to say, Any company owners & businessmen should know what happened to Lalith Kothalawala, EAP & other good examples in the past ..

Need to be fair and ethical .. I am not the one and only person should get the gain  

Forget the owners, legal controllers & institutions are not taking actions on these malpractices.

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803LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:17 pm

chathura123


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

maalinda wrote:
chathura123 wrote:Anyway cash per share is 170 means that u buy 170 rupees at 146 now.
What about liabilities comes with it ?

Please go and learn accounts
Form NAvPS 200+ cash is 170/=
What liability to cash ...???

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804LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:37 pm

maalinda


Manager - Equity Analytics
Manager - Equity Analytics

chathura123 wrote:
maalinda wrote:
chathura123 wrote:Anyway cash per share is 170 means that u buy 170 rupees at 146 now.
What about liabilities comes with it ?

Please go and learn accounts
Form NAvPS 200+ cash is 170/=
What liability to cash ...???

Just because they have cash you can not care about liabilities ?

Say i have 200 cash but i ve to pay 150 to loans. So what does that mean ?

Enlight me

805LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) - Page 32 Empty Re: LOLC HOLDINGS PLC (LOLC.N0000) Wed Aug 26, 2020 6:48 pm

KavinduTM

KavinduTM
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics
Senior Vice President - Equity Analytics

pra4u wrote:
KavinduTM wrote:
Win Win wrote:
Eranga87 wrote:@KavinduTM,
You jump Neutral too early... again someone collect bottom line, wait only two weeks.. Smile


Agree with Eranga.

A group is selling and drag down the price and collect gradually. 
No issue, it can be in this situation only for another 2 days..

LOLC will reach its apex in next 2 weeks than JKH reached Rs.137 from Rs.112. But, LOLC will be more worth even at its apex, bcz this story is different and good for an investor !!

WiN WiN

@Eranga87 :

I'll buy back. Don't get me wrong mate.I'm telling what i actually see, not i want to see. By the way i like to act on waves,sometimes i miss but its cool xd. This won't matter for investors but at the end of the period the trader will have the more profits (only if he has a good timing tbh)


@Win Win:

Of course. I think it will reach 150 levels within 2 or 3 days. So that will be another opportunity to buy. Also i don't think some organized group is trying to drag down the price. Maybe those who bought bulk in 120 levels are taking the profits right?.I also like the story of LOLC. That's the reason i'm planning to buy back.

වැටෙයි කියල දැනගෙන හිටියත් (කවිඳු කිව්ව නිසා) මෙච්චර වැටෙයි කියල හිතුවෙ නෑ

Yeah xD. btw we should have seen this coming. 3 Black Crows in a overbought situation is so sick. It indicated like "hey boys we gonna drop 10%" 

And yeah it happened.

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